Suggestion: Cross-platform UI (Windows, MacOS, Linux)

[AmiK2001]

Is your feature request related to a problem? Please describe.
The application is cool, but so far it only supports Windows OS.

Describe the solution you'd like
AvaloniaUI is a cross-platform, open source, XAML-based framework that is close to WPF.
It would be nice if a GUI based on AvaloniaUI became optional or even core to make it easier to support a cross-platform user interface.

Describe alternatives you've considered
As a cross-platform alternative to AvaloniaUI, I see only Uno Platform.

[tobamaestro]

As a Mac user, would love to contribute in bringing the product to MacOS platform. Regarding desktop development, I'm familiar with ElectronJS, but did some C# (WPF & Windows Forms) and Java (Swing) back in the days.

[isaacrlevin]

.NET MAUI might be a good option as well when it goes GA
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/maui/

[AmiK2001]

.NET MAUI might be a good option as well when it goes GA https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/maui/

MAUI's biggest problem is the lack of Linux support. Some developers may need this.

[isaacrlevin]

Have you seen this? Maintained by a MSFT employee
https://github.com/jsuarezruiz/maui-linux

[AmiK2001]

Have you seen this? Maintained by a MSFT employee https://github.com/jsuarezruiz/maui-linux

Thanks for the link, I have not heard that anyone is porting MAUI to Linux.

Based on the status of the project, maui-linux is still in very early development and the rest of the offerings look much better and are already being used by both open-source projects and companies.

[RodrigoTomeES]

Hi, it would be great have this app in macOS, I can help testing it 🚀

[readthecodes]

The audience of this product is developers, but most developers are using MacOS or Linux as their development environment, only support Windows is the biggest bug...

[veler]

Hi,
Thanks everyone for proposing this change. I read on Twitter, Hacker News, Reddit and here that a lot of people were wondering whether the app could be cross-platform or not.

Lookback on why DevToys is only on Windows today

Here is my very personal (and probably biased) feeling about it:

In August, @btiteux and I discovered DevBox and DevUtils apps for macOS. We've been amazed by how they fit well the macOS environment (look & feel + integration of OS-specific features). We looked at what existed on Windows and found nothing as good. That was one of the big motivations for making DevToys: having an app for which the look & feel fit very well the OS (in particular Win11) and integrates OS-specific features (navigation, tiles...)

Other factors are that @btiteux and I are very comfortable with Windows, we don't own a Mac and never need a Linux for work (it's been years I didn't start a Linux machine). Adding to this the fact that we wanted a sleek native UI, at the end of the day we didn't have much interest in doing an app with a cross-platform UI like Electron or a platform-specific UI (Xamarin/Uno) or a native app on each platform, mostly because we are were only 2 people working on this app.

Quickly looking at the macOS and Linux "developer toolbox" market, we can see there are already plenty of famous and super cool apps like DevBox, DevUtils, Boop, Text Pieces, meanwhile, not much on Windows. We didn't really want to spend energy at "competing" with other apps on a specific OS, even if they're paid app and that we're free. Not that we can't, but it wasn't our goal at that time.

Perspective

I'm personally not against the idea of having a cross-platform app, but that would be under some conditions:

1. Not regressing the DevToys UI on Windows (at all).
2. Keep supporting Windows-specific feature. In parallel, we can also of course support macOS and Linux-specific features.
3. Making sure the UI/UX on macOS and Linux is coherent with the Windows approach, while also being coherent with macOS and Linux ecosystem. What I mean here is that the look & feel would fit the system, while the navigation in the app would be the same (or as close as possible) than the original one on Windows.
4. I'd need to invest into a Mac (not a big deal).

Please tell me if I'm mistaken here, but with these first 3 conditions above, I feel like Electron should be eliminated from the equation. MUI isn't ready yet. Uno may not allow to keep the exact same UI on Windows due to limitations (please tell me if I'm wrong).

Going forward / TL;DR

With that all said, perhaps the best thing to do from user perspective is to make the app native to each platform. But that requires a ton of resource and energy from us (@btiteux and I). I'm sure we can count on the help of the community, but since every contribution depends on free time and motivation of everyone, I'm hesitant at taking this direction if it has low chances to be completed with the same level of quality that we tried to set for the current Windows app.

[isaacrlevin]

The audience of this product is developers, but most developers are using MacOS or Linux as their development environment, only support Windows is the biggest bug...

Have stats to back that up?

[veler]

The audience of this product is developers, but most developers are using MacOS or Linux as their development environment, only support Windows is the biggest bug...

Have stats to back that up?

Perhaps @readthecodes refers to this: https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019#technology-_-developers-primary-operating-systems
We can see that about 52.5% developers are using either macOS or Linux.

[tobamaestro]

With a rising trend towards MacOS:

https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2021#most-popular-technologies-op-sys-prof

I especially believe it's gonna continue in this direction with the recent introduction of Apple ARM.

Aslo @veler, I believe showing "Professional Developers" tab should be more relevant in that infographic.

[RodrigoTomeES]

Anyone tried to execute DevTools it in Mac or Linux using Wine?

[veler]

Anyone tried to execute DevTools it in Mac or Linux using Wine?

I don't expect it would work in Wine. DevToys is a UWP app, not a "classic" Win32 app. It requires a sandbox that I doubt Wine supports.

[quicksandznzn]

As a Mac user, I really need DevToys ~

[Yopler]

Hi 🖐,

I think electron can be a way to have DevToy cross-platform. @veler , I know you fell like electron it is not the good alternative but let me try to convince you.
I have memorize that You want (at least) two thinks for DevToys :

1. To be use on Windows
2. To fit the Os eco system design. (here win 11)

Windows design system is : Fluent Ui. During the rework for win 11, Microsoft have work also to make their design system compatible in other platform. Microsoft propose more and more applications using electron like Teams, the new Office 365 desktop app, and I think soon microsoft Loop. With one drive, outlook, office 365 the web app from microsoft should fit for the better to the Fluent UI design system.

Now, if DevToys can be cross-platform you can have a project in TypeScript or Javascript call maybe DevToys common block and then have three other project that implement electron and the "design" of the differents OS with a :

• DevToys Windows project
• DevToys MacOs project
• DevToys Linux Project

I can talk for windows, if we want to make it fit the FluentUI design (Win11) here some link to a Web Component librairy made by microsoft for fluent UI design (React / Angular / Vue / ASP.NET / ...):
https://www.microsoft.com/design/fluent/#/
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/fluent-ui/web-components/
https://github.com/microsoft/fluentui

I don't really search for other Os but i am sure the community know some web component librairies to make DevToys fit MacOs and Linux.

I think Devtoys is a must have for developer and we need to spread the world.

Hope it can help ! 😊

[KuraiAndras]

Wouldn't Blazor over webview2(or electron) with Fluent UI work great for this? You could even release a web-based version for people who have no permission to install this on their work computer

[Willam2348]

It looks like someone in Japan is working on a native mac version of DevToys. https://github.com/ObuchiYuki/DevToysMac It seems to be missing a few features, but seems to be able to reproduce most of them.

[veler]

It looks like someone in Japan is working on a native mac version of DevToys. https://github.com/ObuchiYuki/DevToysMac It seems to be missing a few features, but seems to be able to reproduce most of them.

Thanks for sharing this @Willam2348 ! We weren't aware of it and believe it may cause some confusion considering the approach this person took in this portage is different than ours on some core values. We reached out to the developer here: DevToys-app/DevToysMac#12

[0x0c]

Hi, I'm currently developing iOS and macOS version of DevToys. I can contribute to DevToys if it is needed.
https://github.com/0x0c/AppleDevToys

[AmiK2001]

Hi, I'm currently developing iOS and macOS version of DevToys. I can contribute to DevToys if it is needed. https://github.com/0x0c/AppleDevToys

Maybe you can join forces with https://github.com/ObuchiYuki/DevToysMac?

[0x0c]

@AmiK2001 Yes, both projects are using Swift so we can use same logic with same code. However, codes for composing user interface are not compatible because of different framework we use (AppKit and UIKit).

[escobar5]

@veler I have experience in C#, maybe I could help with this, I agree on sharing the most codebase we can, but also having native feeling UIs

[SalahAdDin]

You're talking about disk space which does neither affect your computer's reactivity nor the program's performance and startup time. I find the percentage of products using Electron pretty irrelevant in the process of choosing the right technology.

What about the RAM memory consumption?

[martinszeltins]

The audience of this product is developers, but most developers are using MacOS or Linux as their development environment, only support Windows is the biggest bug...

I agree 100%. Linux is THE developer platform. It makes no sense to have a windows only version.

[AuburnMedia]

In August, @btiteux and I discovered DevBox and DevUtils apps for macOS. We've been amazed by how they fit well the macOS environment

I don't see it this way. The DevToys application (with a few tweaks) could fit very well with macOS. It's crucial that we make native apps, instead of using shortcuts like Electron, though I do think WASDK or Uno Platform would work well for our purposes. Moreover, most programmers use macOS or Linux, so I think a more unified application couldn't hurt.

[tl87]

I would sure like this for Linux as well :)

[Akryum]

There is a nice alternative to Electron called Tauri which reuses the system web engine meaning small app size (hello world is less than 1MB) and lower memory usage.

[EliranTurgeman]

Hi, Any update? :) 2024 is right around the corner,
Its will be a big hit in MacOS

[btiteux]

Hi, Any update? :) 2024 is right around the corner,
Its will be a big hit in MacOS

Hello, we are working on the v2 supporting Windows and MacOs you can check the progress on the v2 branch.

Linux support is experimental for the moment.

[veler]

Hi, Any update? :) 2024 is right around the corner,
Its will be a big hit in MacOS

Hello, we are working on the v2 supporting Windows and MacOs you can check the progress on the v2 branch.

Linux support is experimental for the moment.

Hello,
I'd add that we ported more than 50% of the tools to the new version. We're making progress! 😁

[veler]

Update: It remains us 4 tools to migrate from DevToys 1.0 to 2.0, along with finishing some touch up (which are in progress) and prepare release material (installers, website...etc), which we didn't start yet.
We're hoping for a preview release in April/May for Windows Mac and Linux.

[EliranTurgeman]

@veler Saw you migrate 1 tool this weekend
keep the great work! looking forward to use it on my Mac :)

[OrthodoxWindows]

Hello everyone, I have a question :
Is AvaloniaUI (or Uno) compatible with standard Win32 controls ?
It would be great to have a version of DevToys with native Windows controls (as this will allow much greater customization).

[waffle-frame]

We are looking forward to the release of the cross-platform version.
Arch Linux is ready for testing ❤️

[btiteux]

If you use the "new" main branch (cross platform DevToys v2). You should be able to build the Linux version. still experimental for the moment but we are working on it.

[waffle-frame]

@btiteux
Do you mean that I can now test DevToys by cloning all the files from the v2 branch?

[btiteux]

Yes there's no v2 branch anymore we merge the new DevToys version for MacOs, Linux and windows in the main branch.

[veler]

Update: It remains us 4 tools to migrate from DevToys 1.0 to 2.0, along with finishing some touch up (which are in progress) and prepare release material (installers, website...etc), which we didn't start yet. We're hoping for a preview release in April/May for Windows Mac and Linux.

Another update:
We're pretty much feature complete!
We wrote a documentation. It remains just a few pages to finish. In parallel, we're doing a refresh of our website, along with automating the creation of installers / packages ready to be published.

Not going to lie: we won't release it in April. Maybe not in May either. Please keep in mind that we're mostly 2 people on this project, and develop it in our spare time, and haven't earn a dime for it. So please be patient with us and our repeated delayed estimation. 🤗

[veler]

Another update:
If everything goes according to our plan, beta release on June 11th 2024 👀

[nodakai]

I gave a try to https://github.com/DevToys-app/DevToys/releases/tag/v2.0.1.0 on my M1 MacBook, x64 is working fine via Rosetta so far but arm64 gave this error:

[bxb100]

I gave a try to v2.0.1.0 (release) on my M1 MacBook, x64 is working fine via Rosetta so far but arm64 gave this error:

using xattr -r -d com.apple.quarantine /Applications/DevToys.app/

[nodakai]

using xattr -r -d com.apple.quarantine /Applications/DevToys.app/

Oh thanks, I knew about using Ctrl-click for circumventing the "[App name] cannot be opened because the developer cannot be verified" message but didn't know about this

[veler]

Hi everyone,
I see some of your are excited by the release on Github. I'm hoping this message your encountered will vanish when installing it through Homebrew.

Homebrew/homebrew-cask#175585

Please note that we're not done releasing the app. Publishing the release on Github was the first step. Next is to get Homebrew, Winget and other done. Then update our website. I'm hoping to get it done by the end of the day.
Cheers

[dineiar]

I just want to confirm that installation through Homebrew is working flawlessly:

$ brew info devtoys
==> devtoys: 2.0.1.0
https://github.com/DevToys-app/DevToys
Not installed
From: https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-cask/blob/HEAD/Casks/d/devtoys.rb
==> Name
DevToys
==> Description
Utilities designed to make common development tasks easier
==> Artifacts
DevToys.app (App)
==> Analytics
install: 976 (30 days), 4,484 (90 days), 16,249 (365 days)

$ brew install --cask devtoys
==> Downloading https://github.com/DevToys-app/DevToys/releases/download/v2.0.1.0/devtoys_osx_arm64.zip
==> Downloading from https://objects.githubusercontent.com/github-production-release-asset-2e65be/411493648/0dd4fbb6-96a7-48f1-963b-7ec36a39edc9?X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&
########################################################################################################################################################################### 100.0%
==> Installing Cask devtoys
==> Moving App 'DevToys.app' to '/Applications/DevToys.app'
Password:
🍺  devtoys was successfully installed!

Thanks for your work @veler!

[ABAG603]

Just tried to install it from Homebrew but it gave me same "DevToys.app is damaged and can't be opened" as was mentioned above.

xattr -r -d com.apple.quarantine /Applications/DevToys.app/

Fixed the problem

[matteocontrini]

Same here, brew install devtoys works but then it says it's damaged.

[bxb100]

@ABAG603 @matteocontrini that because the Apple verified signature needs 99 USD per year

[veler]

Hi everyone,

Thanks for your feedback. We got an issue tracking this problem here, and we will try to address it as soon as possible: microsoft/winget-pkgs#156567

Meanwhile, I'm thrilled to announce that DevToys 2.0 is now officially available on Windows, Mac and Linux! 🚀
We updated our website and published an announcement and documentation: https://devtoys.app/blog/announcing-devtoys-2.0-preview

Thanks everyone for your patience and support! If you enjoy using DevToys, I would be grateful if you could spread the word among your friends and colleagues. 😅 Your support means the world to us!

Thank you once again for being a part of our community.