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well you should be safe to use Palemoon for your fork unless Palemoon go's with a different license or you brake the license between Firefox and Palemoon by making it "Closed source" but it mostly depends on the situation and problem. |
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Also "MyPal" is your property so they can't tell you what to do with it, They(Palemoon) made their browser Open Source soo they are the one to put the blame on at first place. |
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As i understand they took code from the firefox and not allowed to go closed source, and this is fair. They continues take new code pieces from the firefox mostly. Today i noticed moonchild put his name on few specific files |
Honestly what's their problem with you?? can't they just go bully and be j*rks to other developers?. TL:DR: MoonchildProductions have no right to sue you as long as their code is Open Source, And if the code you are using is Open Source with the same license. TL:DR2: MoonchildProductions can go and sit down and shut up until they find a valid reason to sue you or make problems with you. |
There always was half-allusions and threats but never they never tell strict though, i think that they do not like greatly i publish my alternative browser. I was just curious why he put his name inside some particular files, cant he put his name inside every file? |
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Hey folks |
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Please read and understand the MPL 2.0 thoroughly. If you have trouble understanding it, get legal counsel. For example:
This is incorrect. it is not Public Domain.
This is only true if and and for so long as the Open Source license is adhered to. |
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So whats wrong, do you want it become not public? There in the Mozilla license written that it must be public, and you must provide your sources too. |
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We are in compliance and provide the source code. You are not. |
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like it or not but i provide the source code too, and i pointed you where to look for what is your problem? |
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You post leads to misinformation Here the right paragraph of https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/MPL/2.0/ **3.2. Distribution of Executable Form If You distribute Covered Software in Executable Form then: |
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You bear all the misinformation, you distort mozilla license. |
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I always though the open source community was all about helping each other and making things better together, all this talk sounds more like how large powerhungry corporations would act... |
No, in fact he's applying the Mozilla license to the letter here. Nothing is distorted except your misinterpretation of the license. Like I said before if you can't understand your obligations under the MPL, get legal counsel who can explain it in a way you can understand.
Maybe it's news to you but individuals also have legal rights under the copyright act. In fact, it is the default unless rights are granted (note: granted!) by the rights holder otherwise. The MPL grants such rights, but only if you are in compliance with it. Break with the license, then you can no longer use the code. |
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Tobin i wont go for your manipulations. I consider that it is all right with rules of the license and this article. |
This is exact lie, you cited the license as you see fit. |
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Tobin you may edit your posts of course, but your older lies remain preserved. |
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Do you want to say you typed license paragraphs by hands? Why. If wanted cite exact paragraph you copy paste. |
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(OT) |
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Also, just "moving elsewhere"[1] and re-publishing it elsewhere without solving the source code issues will not solve the licensing issues and you would still be in violation of the MPL.
P.S. Said thread the quote is from also indicates you clearly understand the issue at hand, so I won't accept any further feigned ignorance. |
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I am ready to remove your code property Tobin. But i do not know what lines of this whole code is your property, and it is not any clear way how to determine this code lines from lists with some unknown commits which not exist in this source code. |
Then let begin
How it prove that its code is written by you and not taken elsewhere. |
So lets go to the next: e72ef92b5bdc43cd2584198e2e54e951b70299e8
As i understand i must remove only your property code lines, and can keep what is left. I ask you to point where it is, then i shall remove it and thats all. |
I see what you're trying to do here. The original source of code is irrelevant because the person making the modification to the source code in question is Tobin. Unless the Author is claimed to be someone else (which generally only occurs for verbatim patch application), the modification will be authored by whomever is the author of the commit. This is why git has the option to specify both author and committer of commits, so someone else than the author of the modification can commit it to a tree. It's irrelevant if the modification is based on existing code elsewhere (as long as that existing code isn't otherwise prohibited/proprietary). The only thing that matters is that the modification committed to the tree is authored by someone. If that someone is Tobin, then you can no longer use that modification unless you have explicit permission from him, since he retracted his grant for use of his modifications. |
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Point where these modifications authored by Tobin in this code source. |
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Even if Tobin manages to identify "his" modifications, they are still open to be used by whoever wishes to do so, in the same manner he used someone else's modifications over the original firefox-netcape code. What a dope. |
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"This is why git has the option to specify both author and committer of commits, so someone else than the author of the modification can commit it to a tree" Laf. Sue me. |
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"I think you need to re-read MPL Definitions in Sections 1.1, 1.3, 1.4, and 1.10. That should clear up the confusion." I'll get my lawyers to read the footprint, roflmao. |
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I ask about the same commit above, i cannot find files set match in this source, elaborate clear way how to remove this commit? |
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I see no reason for you to remove anything, nor do I see any validity in the glibberish exposed above. |
What do you mean? |
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I did a search and found someone making builds of Pale Moon/New Moon that work on XP. Unfortunately, while it made a couple more sites usable, it still had problems. I couldn't sign in to Google and I couldn't see anything in Logitech's support section. |
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@Feodor2 |
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Yeah but it's still better to use something that was made to run natively on XP. What Fedora should do is to tell the PaleMoon staff to... (ya know what...) and ignoring them... |
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Yeah. Thank You! |
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@wolfbeast Pale Moon 29.4.3 has been announced https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=222320#p222320 and is downloadable from https://www.palemoon.org/download.shtml ... however I am not yet seeing it on https://archive.palemoon.org/source/ ... where to get it? .. Nevermind I see it uploading now. |
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This is an exceptional thread, really. A story of how a respectable programmer turns out to actually be a pathetic evil man who finds joy in bullying non-native English speakers with legalese, and also in being a furry. It's Dostoevsky level, almost. Btw if you think that I am talking about Tobin here, well I'm sorry, but you're wrong. I know Tobin for many years (not personally, I just followed his online activities), and he's a very respectable programmer, an alpha-male with a good soul, he always tries his best to help non-native English speakers to understand what he's saying, and it's just impossible that he may somehow be involved with the furry community. -- Anyways please disregard my poor attempts a humor above (If you think it's inappropriate, please PM me and I'll delete it). What I really wanted to express here is just my warmest regards to @Feodor2. The world would be a better place if there were more developers like @Feodor2. Thank you. |
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Am not sure have fully understood this thread, but if I have then:
again, I am an attorney and am new to github, so am unsure of how personal contacting works here. But @ Feodor2 is welcome to contact me directly and I can review the specific factual issues (no charge), and perhaps assist with an appropriate legal response. Obviously, there are so many anxiety issues in life right now, with politics, economy, CORONA, etc., so sometimes hard for people to breath deeply and calmly, but... obviously best if everyone were to get along, and mutual assist one another, instead of attack and tear down. But, if there needs to be a legal involvement.... I am happy to assist. |
I am not involved in the Mypal project, but since its demise I am interested in including some Mypal code in my similar project, White Star. The reason would be to have White Star builds for Windows XP. I have been looking for an attorney to advise me on the potential issues. I cannot find any private contact information for you on GitHub, but my contact information is available on the web site linked from mine. I would love to talk to you and hear your insights. Thanks, |
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I am in the proccess of removing all official Pale Moon browsers and anything else touched by these two fat and evil individuals from me and my family's devices. God bless roytam1 for not backing down and continuing to make Pale Moon work on Windows XP. |
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Feodor2 has a nickname zzz528 on the ru-board.com forum But he hasn't been online since January 6, 2022. And his last post in the software section was on December 25, 2021. |
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Feodor2 should just come back to Mypal. 99% of the Internet would support him, he never broke the license in bad faith, and it's not like Tobin can drive his mobility scooter to Russia anyway. |
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palemoon project is a joke after all |
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Even more joke...
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Pale Moon is turning into pretty much freeware software (I mean, closed-source for all intents and purposes, but still free regardless.) |
No. It's a clown-ware |
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Ahaha. "The project" came under attack! The Russians did it! As a Russian, I would say that I am quite proud. And wow, holy sh*t the pathetic furry is even more pathetic than I thought before. Also,
WTF is the man-child talking about here? Has he forgotten to take his schizo meds again? |
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Fedor is Ukrainian, as far as I remember. |
Ah ok, I apologize for the mistake. |
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Check out his last post just one up in his URL tree. |
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War has begun, wish you will be safe. |
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sometimes it's the only solution to wipe out mafia mercenaries paid by lobbies threatening ukrainian and russian peace. |
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Are you funny? There is no standing for you. README |
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Well, take care of your psychosis, a good doctor is important. |
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No, I'm really worrying about you, because you told me you did not make funny. Maybe the condition is aggravated, you have to go and see your attending physician. |
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Thank you for doing the right thing! |
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All this obsession with a license and the need to be always right just to give it away like that? We're talking about a "project" which served the needs of a small number of users using an OS that almost no one uses. It's something so small that almost no one cares about... but it doesn't matter if it has 1 or 100 users... you have to pick a fight and be an a-hole because you're technically right. After what recently happened with Pale Moon, I feel sorry for the next project Matt and Moonchild (if Pale Moon dies) decide to contribute to. You're both talented people, but f_ck me... if it's not the license, it's some testing repo that isn't following copyrights or something else; the us vs them mentality because of the hate you receive (partially due to behaviour like this); and so on. Toxic as f_ck. To Feodor2, I hope you and those close to you are safe. From what I hear from a friend that lives in a city under attack in the east, it's not easy... Good luck. |
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Context about the recent events that went down in PM: |
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Who cares? Thing is already over yet, before a long time. |
and others
I know in general that with opensource code anybody can do whatever they want. But i may be do not know something and with this particular code too. I ask someone who knows better to check if its alright from this side.
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