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Would like to discuss something with you, About China and human rights. #16

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zeptoTantalum opened this issue May 2, 2018 · 2 comments
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zeptoTantalum commented May 2, 2018

你好,很高兴认识你。
Hi, Glad to see you~

我希望能够和你讨论一些有关中国以及人权的问题。
I hope that I could discuss something about China and human rights with you.

事实上,我也注意到了在Github Issue中有一些生活在中国的人反对你的意见。我并不认同这些人的观点。不过,我在生活中也和类似的人(也许可以被贬义地称为“小粉红”)交流过。就我个人的理解而言,他们实际上拥有一整套体系和论据,我并不认为目前有办法反驳他们的理论。因此我希望通过一些问题向你阐述他们的想法,不知道你是否愿意和我交流?
I have noticed some people living in China against you in GitHub issues. I don't agree with them, but I do know people have similar opinions in my real life. As far as I know, they actually do have a theory and corresponding evidences, which I don't think possible to rebut. Thus, I would like to explain what I have learned from them by asking you a few questions, I don't know if you could accept that.

首先的两个问题是这样的:
Here are the first 2 questions:

  1. 你是否认为人权是可量化,可分割,可加总的呢?如果不能的话,请问我们又应当如何衡量一个国家的人权状况?
    Do you think human rights are quantifiable, seperatable, and additive?If not, how could we measure the human right status of a country?

  2. 你是否认为一个国家的政府应当对且仅对自己的公民负责呢?
    Do you think that the government of a country should be and only be responsible for its citizen?

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cirosantilli commented May 3, 2018

Hi zeptoTantalum,

Do you think human rights are quantifiable, seperatable, and additive?If not, how could we measure the human right status of a country?

Impossible to answer like any question that involves human perception.

My studies in AI have taught me that it is equally impossible to answer questions such as:

  • What is a table?
  • What is a person?
  • What is a house?

It all comes down to an unexplainable gut feeling.

Do you think that the government of a country should be and only be responsible for its citizen?

Ideally each country should be responsible for the whole world.

In practice however governments only represent its own people, and people are selfish, and so countries end up representing its own people more than others.

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theJian commented May 10, 2018

Do you think that the government of a country should be and only be responsible for its citizen?

I would like to think that the people should be responsible for their government.

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