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CalFresh & So Clean: Dead simple CalFresh application #6
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Soliciting @abhinemani's thoughts... |
Really basic questions:
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Per our phone chat, one way to deal with concern about having the application sent through an API is to have a big disclaimer modal at the beginning in easy-to-read language explaining what will happen. For example… We're going to fax your application in using something called 'SERVICENAME' (with URL).
On Apr 26, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Jake Solomon notifications@github.com wrote:
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I'm happy to do the dev work on this. In Ruby, it looks like we can programmatically fill out the forms with:
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I've successfully got Ruby writing to the CalFresh application PDF. This file is the the application with each field filled out with its hidden name (e.g., "Text1 PG 1"): |
Code under development here: |
Running out the door but here is the VERY basics: data elements
income threshold (http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/14poverty.cfm)
eligibility sources
And the form: http://www.cdss.ca.gov/cdssweb/entres/forms/English/CF285.pdf Note that ONLY name, address, signature, and probably contact info will get printed to the form. The other questions are just so we can give helpful context like "you probably aren't eligible because XYZ, but you can apply anyway!" Actually determining income with deductions and all is a longer process. |
Moved to application repo: https://github.com/daguar/calfresh-and-so-clean Would love your thoughts on this one, @jmadans |
I really like the idea of using the fax loophole to create an alternative, much more stripped down online application process. You should check out http://www.expunge.io/, if you haven't. A few thoughts:
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Thanks! My responses:
I think goal of MVP is to process a small number of official applications (1-3 people from our own network, like you nudge nudge, or high touch at 1235 with clients in lobby) through this route to show "how easy an online application could be" and then take this demo to the next CWDA to start influencing the CalWIN consortium. I don't think quantitative metrics or deep research is necessary for this goal, but let's discuss if you think otherwise.
The most relevant metrics are probably caseload (they always want growth), participation rate (CA is notoriously bad), and administrative cost/application. They don't really care about absolute # of initial applications. Making a dead simple online application probably is good for the first two and bad for the third. This is a real tradeoff for the agency and the reason we can't scale this up arbitrarily...because it necessarily shifts some of the initial burden from client to agency.
Two thoughts. First, I think we're trying to demonstrate that real human service applications can be dead simple. Second, we're furthering Dave's point that the primary online application for most services doesn't need to address every possible corner case, but rather should solve the 80% case gracefully and only ramp up when required.
Agreed. Sadly that's how mybenefitscalwin.org works right now so I wouldn't expect any big changes. Currently you apply online > get a letter > do your interview > exchange verification docs > get official enrollment decision. All we're doing is making the first part dead simple (I may be misunderstanding what you mean by 'same conclusions that led to the current online application'). |
Right now we don't know how much/many Eligibility Workers rely on the data submitted via the cumbersome online MyBenefitsCalWIN application. If they basically scratch it and start from the beginning with the interview, the So Clean application wouldn't cause more work per app. If that's the case, the only increased admin burden would come from the likely increase in online apps. I bet there is great variation in how EWs handle online apps. It's probably worth doing some interviews with them. |
I spoke with a couple EWs so far about this so far but will continue to probe. They don't scrap it but they often verify the info anyway. It sounds like a shorter initial application will lengthen the phone interview a little bit, but not much. Of course EWs would prefer more info upfront, but it doesn't seem to add too much burden (~5 mins) during the interview. We now have an internal HSA team (one from records mgmt, one EW, one from MEDS team) to help us smooth out the process and strike the right balance of upfront client burden. I'll keep you posted as we learn more. |
I've removed the label "prototype" |
BLUF: CalFresh & So Clean is a dead simple CalFresh application (yes yes we can change the name fineeeeee)
Project Needs: Dev + designer + Jake to run interference with SF (mostly done!)
Status: Pie with serious interest to do this soonUPDATED! Status: In progress (Dave and Jake)
Here are some important facts:
And the idea:
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