Assortment of Ridge Racer bugs #13194
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I don't know where you're getting the "will never be fixed" thing from. In an emulator, generally we fix systems, not games. It might be that a future rewrite of the render target system will fix several of these, there's no "never". As for the replays, those have already been reported in a separate issue and it's an insanely tricky problem. I'll leave this open since it contains some "newly found bugs" and not just repeats. As for the headlights glow, got a screenshot of how it looks and what it should look like? Not familiar with that one (normally you mostly see cars from behind anyway...). Black boxes I haven't seen in the menus. On what device are you seeing that? Which GPU? |
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I am using an NViDiA Quadro K620, a decent Intel CPU, and 32GB of RAM... The fact that I said "will never be fixed" is because that months ago, when I first started reporting RR7 bugs in the RPCS3 Github, one RPCS3 developer is fully toxic to me... I reported the same AV Player bug which happens in Ridge Racer 7 and I gave all my info about the bug but he just Closed the issue and disliked it... Heck, he even added a tag called "Meta: Invalid" to my issues, he didn't even asked "I don't fully understand the bug your experiencing.. please specify it a little bit more.." Instead, he just closed my issues as If he thinks its just garbage... I asked him when will the Sunset Heights Red Bug get fixed (already fixed) but he responded with "where can I get that sh*t you're smoking" as if he is saying I'm mentally ill or just on drugs... I got really triggered and stayed off the RPCS3 Github... Hey man, at least your kind and not toxic like him and you always keep an issue open until it is fixed... If your wondering who was going toxic on me, it was this craphead called "AniLeo"... And also, in #2990 i sent the original replays from the original PSP hardware... Check it out: Seaside Route 765: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQyHEo4S4wg |
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Thats a pretty good list of bugs |
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@GrandGTA In short:screw morons that don't have sense of rensposibility and kindness,as i reported and was reporting at few developers,and i haven't met anyone that rude with mental complex like that idiot,and everyone deserves to know what BS he pulls because of that.Cheers |
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@GrandGTA RPCS3 is a completely different project with different people. |
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@ghost Thanks mate... At least you care about cyberbullying.... :) @hrydgard Yes, I know that RPCS3 is different but they have same issues in Ridge Racer like AV Player Bugs... The difference about the community and people is they just ignore those bugs unlike the community here in PPSSPP, the PPSSPP community here is just calm and kind and is willing to fix bugs... Speaking of bugs, check out the Greenpeak Highlands replay... The star shaped effect in the headlight is much more noticable:
And I also noticed that the screen is much more stretched in the normal PSP hardware: Original PSP Hardware: PPSSPP Hardware: If you're gonna ask me if it probably was the recording device because the picture is stretched but no... When I first tried PPSSPP after my PSP got broken, the first thing I noticed is that I am not comfortable with the screen because my PSP displays the game screen stretched... I checked out a gameplay of Ridge Racer on a normal PSP and I was right... The screen is normally stretched... The lines im talking about is much more visible in the New Rally-X Minigame: The black boxes, im not experiencing them again... It was something i did with the settings and it just disappeared... |
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Artifacts related to rendering above x1 res are normal with most 2D surfaces as PSP games were not designed nor tested for running above PSP res. You can sometimes counter it with texture scaling or better texture replacement, but there are opposite cases where at least automatic texture scaling will only make it worse. You can also counter it by forcing nearest texture filtering, but it will make things look bad and off from real thing. Either way it's not something that can be "fixed", so if workarounds doesn't help/aren't acceptable, you will have to run the game with x1 render res or live with the glitches, through it's possible to deal with it differently ie using custom upscaling filter instead of linear filtering. |
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I noticed that both Android and PC loads the AV Player differently causing it to desync differently... List out the differences on how both of these platforms load and execute the AV Player CPU Autodrive and you might find the fix for it... |
As i said,guy is moron,and his presence is poisonus to every human being there,no point in fighting against them,when it's clear you're better than them. These bugs persist on my PC,really good list.I can do investigation to find more. |
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I'll just say one thing and not respond further to avoid cluttering the topic and causing headaches for the PPSSPP team, but IMHO the fact you show up with a "reporting issues which will never be fixed lol" attitude and then immediately proceed to complain about being mistreated elsewhere does not paint a good first impression. If your issue in the RPCS3 repo was kept in a similar "fix this already!" tone as this one is, I am not surprised in the slightest it was met with a negative response. |
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Im gonna close this issue... These bugs aren't a big deal anyways since it does not interfere with the gameplay itself... Don't reopen this issue.... |
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I deem the AV Player SR765 Replay impossible for me to replicate... Used a CE speedhack, the Angelus always throws me off by overtaking or not taking a specific lane... |
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Maybe an option not to upscale 2d like Gliden64 for n64 emulator does might correct some of those 2d issues ? Unless that isnt possible. |
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Also found out that since Android and PC have different ways of desyncing because of different CPU numbers and calculations, try and list every and I mean every single CPU differences on both Android and PC version of PPSSPP... Its like Android is 1.0 and PC is 2.0 and to stop it from desyncing, it needs to be in 1.5... |
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Hey guys, I have a better image than GrandGTA. I found a Ridge Racer PSP video with a good recording device and resolution of 720p.. This is what it looks like with much better quality.
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Im also planning on getting a new PSP to contribute to these bugs.. |
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I think i found a workaround... I just need to confirm it now. Ok. This is confirmed now. Setting 'Internal Resolution' to anything other than 1x will break the headlights. It also requires 'OpenGL' backend/video driver 1x Internal Resolution. Texture Scaling: 0 1x Internal Resolution Texture Scaling: 3 Video Filter: hq3x |
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That is interesting! Might help figuring out what's going wrong here. |
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I've also found they headlights will shine anytime they are supposed to thru the regular viewport (main game cam) with 1x resolution. Not sure if they are supposed to appear in rearview mirror. But if i drift particularly enthusiastically thru a tunnel. The opponents headlights are shining |
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Possibly related. I've been testing [ReinterpretFramebuffers] & [ShaderColorBitmask] with this title UCES00422 And thus far I've noticed no adverse effects. |
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Have you noted any positive effects of those, though? |
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No, Reflections may be improved. I'll have to compare some streams side by side (twitch.tv/Veritas0923) I also noticed one more thing. A white-ish box around the tach with Assoluto I've been trying all manner of settings to fix headlights, digital tachs and that white box specifically. I believe that was before I discovered the 1x thing thou. I will test these settings again. |
hold on.. How in the hell did you manage to load up the headlight glare effect even if PPSSPP doesn't load it?? |
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By using the settings specified. Any setting for 'Internal Resolution' other than 1x (the first one) will break the headlight glare. Scale by other means (hq2x/hq3x video shader or example) the headlight glare remains. |
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Where can I find the hq2x or hq3x video shader?? And by Internal Resolution, you mean Rendering Resolution?? |
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lol no, C:\EMU\RetroArch\ & C:\EMU\PSP\ |
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Well in conclusion.. Your specs may be s**t af while my specs are better than yours but somehow, your specs brings back one of the most nostalgic effect on the game.. |
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I guess I give up on this one.. |
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It's not the size of your GHz that counts ... It's how you use it... |
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but still.. You managed to make it work.. I give up since it probably wouldn't work.. |
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Enthusiastically drifting thru a tunnel during a race... Headlights observed. |
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Reflections seem unaffected to me.. ReinterpretFramebuffers & ShaderColorBitmask On ReinterpretFramebuffers & ShaderColorBitmask Off |
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However the game is doing the headlights, it's doing something very delicate or sensitive, it seems, since it breaks so easily. Can be tiny differences between how different GPUs render. Need to figure out how it's actually working to fix it properly... |
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The 1x resolution & OpenGL seem key to making it work thru the regular game race/countdown/replay. Trying to make it work in rearview now... Basically trying every setting in compat.ini w\ 1x res now. (Except the 'warn' ones) |
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This is the rearview itself being drawn I think this, may be a relevant frame. Stepping thru the textures this is the first time the headlights appear in rearview. The next texture to be loaded there is the rims i think. Then this happens. Entire screen gets copied here. Then UI elements are drawn. |
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Screen being copied HUD elements about to be drawn |
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Here's a savestate of me paused at that same frame. |
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Before i was stepping by frame. Stepping into each instruction while it builds the frame ... This is where it draws the actual headlight (This is during a race, facing reverse, paused, looking at opponent) That part is applied before. Then whatever this is Then a similar process repeats for the actual headlight |
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Hm, it's somehow texturing from a 1x1 texture (which happens to share address with a bigger one, which is why what you see there is not 1x1). Maybe that's supposed to be a certain value from the framebuffer at the pixel location of the headlight, so that if it gets overdrawn with something, it won't have that value and the headlight won't be drawn. or something... |
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This games does other rendering to a palette, might be related to this 1x1 business. Maybe we don't clamp to 1x1 properly, esp with aniso or etc.? Though we should clamp with offset and size settings, we've mostly focused on clamping when size is larger than actual FB size... -[Unknown] |
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Back2Life do you use a nVidia GPU by chance ? As I've shown, It worked for me just fine in standalone PPSSPP. But. I was using 1x Res, OpenGL and i use an AMD GPU. It isn't all that rare to have rendering differences/issues between nVidia/AMD. I recall a similiar rendering issue on PS3 emulation with RR7, nVidia couldn't do trees right for the life of it. But it 'just worked' on AMD. I've always found AMD wins these battles thou, So that's why I use an AMD GPU |
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Not much point in speculation, this just needs to be investigated properly. |
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Feel free to send me (or just branch) a test build if you would like me to test anything with my setup :) I'm not very good with GFX or real time debugging. But I can test. And compile. Occasionally I can do meaningful patches from disassembly |
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Yeah I am using an NVIDIA GPU.. |
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Happened to be playing the original RR for PSP and can confirm the Headlights 1x Internal Res + OpenGL workaround also works there. |
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any updates? |
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i can confirm that the headlight glare only works on AMD cards. I managed to find a laptop with a AMD card on it and boom, the headlight glare was present. |
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Sadly, the speedometer is still in the same state in AMD cards |
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@unknownbrackets Do you know about the textures getting corrupted in the software render? The tracks look normal then after maybe a lap or two the texture colors start to get weird. I've heard the game does some weird memory stuff before starting a track though which I'm guessing the HLE render doesn't even touch. Also Cosmo canyon in ridge racer 2 is causing a crash that takes out the entire emulator in the WIP x64 windows build. Edit: I mean diablo canyon road, no idea where I got cosmo canyon from |
Probably a corrupted game copy. Edit: Disregard this line. Apparently some artifacts can be seen in software rendering. |
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So in summary (04-01-22) -Still has broken replays (If anyone has a normal PSP hardware, record the undesynced replays and send me the video. The links given above are from a terminated account.) There is progress, but it might take months to fix these. Maybe even years. |
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I believe these are all fixed:
Remaining are replays and FMV issues, plus general issues with texture tiling in the menus, which is not specific to Ridge Racer, just something that happens when you render a game at a higher resolution than what it was designed for. We have separate issues for the remaining problems, not setting much point in this meta-issue anymore so I'll close it. |
The new update for PPSSPP already came but some bugs in Ridge Racer 1 and 2 are left untouched and isn't even fixed or will never be fixed at all...
Already discovered bugs:
Newly found bugs:
Honestly, these bugs will never be fixed and will be forever ignored...
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