Status and future of Stevenarella

[PureTryOut]

#598 spawned a discussion about the future of Stevenarella.

@terrarier2111 seems to have the skills to contribute and is interested, but currently there is just a single developer and it's mostly bumping dependencies rather than getting features working and that is scaring them off. Right now they have forked the project and have made some local, private (:cry:) changes which go in an opposite direction that this project is currently going in. Mainly moving the renderer to Vulkano which gets rid of web support.

EDIT: @terrarier2111 has now published his code and it's available on https://github.com/terrarier2111/Leafish

I'm not a fan of splitting efforts, especially when there are only so few people working on it in the first place, and I'd like to prevent forks and have a proper discussion on the future of this project.

@iceiix what are your plans for the future of Stevenarella? Is web support a must have, even if it prevents support for e.g. Vulkan and maybe scares off possible developers? Do you have time to help work on adding features rather than just bumping dependencies all the time?

When anybody responds to discussion, please use the thread function! In other Github discussions in this repo I see people adding new messages separately and context gets lost quickly.

[PureTryOut]

Starting a new thread here, one reason people might at the moment not be interested in Stevenarella when they see it is because besides joining servers and walking around, you can't really do much or really "play". I can shout about Stevenarella on some social media platforms (Reddit, Lemmy, Mastodon, etc) which could attract some developers, but longer term it really needs to get to some playable state to attract new users and thus potential developers. That's why I made #598 in the first place; it's in my opinion better to focus on feature compatibility with a specific feature rather than try follow all Mojang updates or add "extras" like web support. Once you have the game playable for at least a single version, you can attract users and developers and start spreading your focus more out on newer versions and awesome features.

[PureTryOut]

Although that would be great, I find Github less of a problem as at least it's using the FOSS Git tool to do it's things and can be moved away from relatively easily if needed in the future.

But yes alternatives like Gitlab or SourceHut do have my preference 😉

[terrarier2111]

Although that would be great, I find Github less of a problem as at least it's using the FOSS Git tool to do it's things and can be moved away from relatively easily if needed in the future.

But yes alternatives like Gitlab or SourceHut do have my preference 😉

But tbh I don't see where Discord is a bigger problem than Github, both are owned by big mega-corps and any data you put on these platforms isn't private anymore

[terrarier2111]

Also it would be far easier for the majority of devs to use discord (as most of them already do i suspect) than to move to a new platform alltogether - we could also make some sort of poll and let the majority democratically decide

[PureTryOut]

Github is less bad because you can move away from it without losing your development history, and there are 3rd party tools out there to take issues with you as well. But yeah I agree it ain't great either, if the devs are fine with it I would be all for moving to e.g. Gitlab.

Also it would be far easier for the majority of devs to use discord (as most of them already do i suspect) than to move to a new platform alltogether

You underestimate how many FOSS devs are already using IRC and/or Matrix. If really needed even bridges could be setup to let users choose their own preferred platforms but still have them all talk in the same spot, at least quite a good Matrix<->Discord bridge exists. In the end don't let me block starting up a Discord guild/group/thingy (server is a really shitty name) if that is what everybody wants, but at least I definitely won't join it.

[terrarier2111]

Github is less bad because you can move away from it without losing your development history, and there are 3rd party tools out there to take issues with you as well. But yeah I agree it ain't great either, if the devs are fine with it I would be all for moving to e.g. Gitlab.

Also it would be far easier for the majority of devs to use discord (as most of them already do i suspect) than to move to a new platform alltogether

You underestimate how many FOSS devs are already using IRC and/or Matrix. If really needed even bridges could be setup to let users choose their own preferred platforms but still have them all talk in the same spot, at least quite a good Matrix<->Discord bridge exists. In the end don't let me block starting up a Discord guild/group/thingy (server is a really shitty name) if that is what everybody wants, but at least I definitely won't join it.

If iceix is okay with it, I could manage the dc server and try to bring the teams efforts together, but for the dc server to work it would have to be in the readme of this repo

[PureTryOut]

(splitting of to a separate thread to keep context relevant)

@terrarier2111 said:

I already did an inventory system with item rendering in my custom version of this project as well as an HUD

Any chance you can PR it to here?

[PureTryOut]

Hmm, ok. At least open-sourcing it would make me happy 😉

Maybe @iceiix can have a look at it, maybe they like the direction you're going in and it could replace the current project?

[terrarier2111]

Hmm, ok. At least open-sourcing it would make me happy 😉

Maybe @iceiix can have a look at it, maybe they like the direction you're going in and it could replace the current project?

I am willing to do that, but I want to fix 2 regressions, which I introduced before replacing the current project.

[terrarier2111]

Hmm, ok. At least open-sourcing it would make me happy 😉

Maybe @iceiix can have a look at it, maybe they like the direction you're going in and it could replace the current project?

I just published my project, it is called "Leafish", I didn't update it for quite a while, because I am working on a fix for a regression which is a bit complicated

[terrarier2111]

As I fixed the regression, I think I am, pretty happy with the current state of Leafish (except for random comments, warnings and todos) but it should but fine for now, how should we proceed @PureTryOut?

[PureTryOut]

Wait for @iceiix to have a look at it and in general share their opinion on this discussion and our comments. It's only fair.