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WEBVTT
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Nothing is more expensive than bad information. Know the source. One Radio Network dot com.
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Well, good morning and welcome to the second part of our show as we're live here this morning on January 20th, 2020, on One Radio Network dot com.
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We're streaming live on YouTube and Facebook and on our website. And we have a YouTube channel now with all of the interviews that we're doing, so you can go there, Patrick Timpone.
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The link is top right of our website. And you can subscribe and like that and like things on Facebook. And that'll help to spread the word on what we're doing here.
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We're kind of moving things around with our new schedule. And so Dr. Peat now is going to be on the third Monday of the month, which is right now at 1030 Central Time, which is 830 on the far west coast where Dr. Peat is up in the northwest.
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He's very popular around the world and around here. He has his PhD at University of Oregon. He specialized in physiology, started his work on hormones in 1968, wrote his dissertation, which he outlined his ideas on progesterone and hormones closely related to it.
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His main thesis is that energy and structure are independent at every level. Hmm. We should ask him about that right now. Dr. Peat is on the phone and he doesn't he's a he's a Luddite somewhat like we are and doesn't do the whole camera thing and all that.
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And so we just have his picture up there. But that's fine, too. Just being able to talk to him is worth it. Dr. Ray Peat. Good morning. Good morning. How's your life, sir? Oh, very interesting. Really?
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I had an interview yesterday about philosophy. Interesting change of subject, but basically everything interrelates, so it keeps things interesting.
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Yeah. So maybe we can talk about that a little bit on the idea that your thesis that energy and structure are interdependent. It's almost a spiritual idea that spirit or chi or whatever creates all this is one kind of?
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Yeah, it's going on all through the universe. The same things that generate energy and order in planets and galaxies and so on. Exactly the same thing is happening in our bodies. Energy flows and creates order.
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So as we allow the energy to flow more and more, we have more order in our life, in our body, in our health?
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Yep. Oxygen is receiving electrons. Sunlight puts electrons into the form of sugar. That's the source of all our energy is energized electrons from the sun in sugar.
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When we consume it, if we're really healthy, it goes all the way down to oxygen forming water. So the cycle is complete.
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But if we aren't healthy, then the sugar electron energy stops very near where it started and comes out as lactic acid. It's only half broken down, but it becomes toxic rather than constructive.
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When we burn the electrons all the way down to oxygen, a byproduct of the sugar is carbon dioxide. And the carbon dioxide is what keeps our structure finely tuned and adjusted, favoring that complete use of energy.
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Wow, that's just so cool. So the lactic acid and the incomplete use of this sugar could be one of the reasons why sugar is blamed for cancer cells?
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Exactly. When Warburg discovered that cancer produces a huge amount of lactic acid, even when it has oxygen and should be able to oxidize it all the way to carbon dioxide, people for 100 years now have been inattentive to what that means.
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There are still exercise physiologists and such who are claiming that lactic acid is a wonderful source of energy and such.
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But what Warburg started discovering was that it isn't just cancer producing lactic acid, but lactic acid itself produces cancer, keeps it going. It creates the energy block in other cells.
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So when the cancer cells turn glucose into lactic acid, the lactic acid circulating in the neighboring cells disturbs their energy, interferes, displaces the carbon dioxide and its metabolism.
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So the cancer spreads just by lactic acid to a great extent. Then it becomes systemic. The circulating lactic acid can be a test for cancer and general health if they just look at the amount of lactic acid in your blood.
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When it's circulating, it's putting all of your body under stress, shifting the electronic balance away from full oxidation, displacing carbon dioxide.
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And so we have sunlight, which works with it, the body, or the energy, which turns into kind of sugar, and somewhere along the line...
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We finish turning it into carbon dioxide.
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That's in the perfect model. We turn it into carbon dioxide.
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And then what prohibits it from doing that and turns it into lactic acid is how we create disease by all the different ways we create it?
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Exactly, yeah. Just about anything that interferes. The idea of stress is extremely general. It can be too much activity or too little activity.
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If you're put in a cage so you can't move, the same physiology happens as if you were forced to run on a treadmill.
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Same thing, too much or too little.
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Yeah. When you're strapped down, for example, your serotonin increases, and the serotonin turns on that cancer metabolism or the stress metabolism.
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And if you're forced to run constantly, for example, the circulating lactic acid suppresses the active thyroid hormone and interferes with your ability to finish the oxidation to carbon dioxide.
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And so it leaves you in a stress condition.
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So the natural progression is to turn this sugar into carbon dioxide.
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And then why does the body like to have this carbon dioxide?
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People have looked at all kinds of organisms, single-cell organisms of various types, and there are a lot of simple organisms that don't need oxygen.
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They just need some form of energy.
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But it turns out that all of the simple organisms that have been tested, even though they might not need oxygen, they still need carbon dioxide.
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So it's really, in the whole picture of life, it's even more essential than oxygen, but most organisms have the oxygen and produce their own carbon dioxide.
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And so when we exercise, is there a way to retain more carbon dioxide?
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Yeah, just the right amount of exercise.
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You don't want to overtrain.
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That's where the lactic acid starts melting you down, increasing cortisol and such, and lowering the constructive progesterone, DHEA, and testosterone.
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The right amount of exercise increases those constructive steroid hormones and produces more carbon dioxide than at rest.
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So you're raising your body temperature by the right amount of exercise, and that increases the carbon dioxide.
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The carbon dioxide is binding to all of the cellular proteins and even changes the way the hormones interact on the cell proteins.
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Many years ago, in explaining breathing, respiratory physiology, they always mentioned that a major way to transport carbon dioxide on the red blood cells is in the form of carbamino compounds,
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where the carbon dioxide sticks to an amino group on the hemoglobin molecule.
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It forms a compound.
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The acid and the base stick together instantly, and then reaching the lungs, where there's more oxygen, that compound decomposes.
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But strangely, only two or three people that I've found over the last 50 or 60 years have been interested in that interesting carbamino reaction.
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It happens not only in the red blood cells, but everywhere.
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Everywhere there's a protein with an exposed amino group.
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That means the so-called hormone receptors are influenced, modified by the presence of carbon dioxide.
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So every place there is a protein, basically, the carbon dioxide is going to adjust the sensitivity to things such as hormones.
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These groups happen to be where oxidative damage happens.
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You've seen the so-called diabetic way of diagnosing red blood cells when they're getting glycated.
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Glycation happens in the brain in Alzheimer's disease, in the blood vessels, in aging in general.
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These so-called glycation compounds are sticking the same place the carbon dioxide should be.
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So if you have high carbon dioxide, any glycating compounds like breaking down sugar or unsaturated fats,
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these broken down oxidative particles just don't stick because the site is protected by carbon dioxide binding to it.
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Just don't stick.
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So how, if you're just joining us, Dr. Ray Peat, and if you'd like to be on the show,
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you can email Patrick at OneRadioNetwork.com or 888-663-6386, January 20, 2020.
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You can put a question or comment on Facebook or YouTube.
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So knowing what you know about this, and very fascinating, I don't know if all of us were able to follow all of that,
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but I think we got a pretty interesting concept about the lactic acid and the carbon dioxide.
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How do you, for example, utilize this information, and you are what, Dr. Peat, you're 83?
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How do you work with that to help you stay healthy and stick around for a while?
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How does this information impact the way you live your life?
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I make sure that I take some thyroid to keep my body temperature up and my heart rate up.
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And every couple of years, I check my oxygen saturation.
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And if I'm at a high altitude, it's easier to get my oxygen saturation down to the level that is the safest.
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But just waking up in the morning, when I'm feeling best, my oxygen saturation will go down to 90 or 89 maybe.
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And if I'm under stress, my finger gadget that measures the oxygen, hemoglobin saturation, might go up to 98 or 99%.
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It isn't good to have your tissue saturated with oxygen because that's competing against the carbon dioxide.
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You should keep your oxygen and carbon dioxide in a good balance.
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So are you speaking of just this little finger thing you can get and put on, and you look at the saturation of oxygen?
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Now that's just, of course, opposite of what we're told. The higher number is the better.
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Yeah, but these finger gadgets really aren't. The person who invented the saturation instrument had a more complex way of doing it.
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And these things on your finger, if you put your finger in warm water, you'll tend to have a lower saturation.
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I've experimented putting my fingers in cold water, and it goes right up to 100% saturation.
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So if you're not using the oxygen, it'll simply show a high saturation in your extremities.
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You want to be using the oxygen and making carbon dioxide. So I think the average person ought to be around 93 to 95% saturation in general.
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With one of the little finger jobs. Is that what you use to test?
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Really? So again, when we're 98 or 99, it's telling us that we need to do what to get that down to 90. What would we do to move that down?
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Sometimes just relaxing and paying attention to how your body feels. And if you're just having a thought of things you have to do that can tend to make you hyperventilate.
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And just by being anxious and hyperventilating, you breathe so fast you're blowing out too much carbon dioxide.
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And all by itself, that will raise your lactic acid because carbon dioxide suppresses that wasteful use of sugar and protein.
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So you don't want to hyperventilate and taking thyroid makes you breathe harder, but it's doing it by producing more carbon dioxide, stimulating breathing.
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So the amount of oxygen you're moving isn't the question. It's how you're using that oxygen. And if you're using it efficiently, generally, you'll be in the middle to low 90s.
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Middle to low 90s. So if we are relaxing and learning how to breathe and taking 3, 4, 5 breaths a minute rather than 15.
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If your thyroid is active, you might be doing fine on 25 breaths a minute. It's all a matter of your metabolic rate.
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A low thyroid person breathing just a few times per minute can still be hyperventilating because they don't need the oxygen if they're very hypothyroid.
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And so breathing a normal amount will still be hyperventilating chemically for them.
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And your body temperature is still one of your main ways, Dr. Ray Peat, that you kind of look at the thyroid.
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Yeah, yeah. The temperature. Just getting in a warm bath can solve a lot of things. If you're sure you're keeping the energy up, having some orange juice or milk and sugar or something to make sure you don't get low blood sugar,
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warming your body either by muscle activity or just by sitting in a warm bathtub will improve your metabolism, lower inflammation by getting the carbon dioxide produced.
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Wow. Dr. Ray Peat is with us. Patrick Timpone, OneRadioNetwork.com. So, the body temperature and the TSH and the other metrics we can get with a blood test, do they normally correlate together?
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Very often, the TSH, if it doesn't easily increase your thyroid secretion, the TSH keeps rising.
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And when it acts on other cells, the first thing it does is to excite the thyroid gland and that should produce T4 and T3, which keep the TSH down at a moderate level.
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But if the gland isn't responding with enough thyroid hormone production, then the TSH keeps rising and the TSH has an irritating, stimulating act on other cells, such as your blood vessels and bone marrow cells,
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and it will create a generalized inflammation so that hypertension, a lot of the circulatory problems are caused directly by too much TSH rather than by too little thyroid hormone.
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So, they go together, low thyroid hormone, high TSH, both of them contribute to the problem.
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Dr. Peat, people listening around the world and if they're working with a doc and doing the natural thyroid, working with the TSH number, are they on pretty solid ground there, do you think?
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No, I keep seeing people being diagnosed exclusively on the basis of their TSH.
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You have to look at the whole metabolism, how many calories they're eating.
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You can't be hyperthyroid and maintain your body weight on 1800 calories a day.
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I keep seeing that diagnosis and people treated for years with a thyroid suppressive drug when their metabolic rate is already too slow.
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Stress hormones will lower the TSH, so it looks like you're hypothyroid but you're really just under stress.
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Looking at large populations and their natural level of thyroid stimulating hormone, one study found that people with 0.4 below the so-called normal range, from 0.01 up to 0.4,
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these people were free of thyroid cancer but as their TSH on average went up, so did the incidence of thyroid cancer.
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It's the same way that the gonadotropins, FSH for example, tend to drive ovarian cancer.
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If you remove an animal's one ovary, the FSH in the pituitary increases and overstimulates the remaining ovaries, so that one is more likely to develop cancer.
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Same with a testicle or an adrenal gland. If you remove one adrenal, the other one overworks and gets too much of the pituitary stimulating hormone and tends to develop a tumor.
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Can you map out for our listeners what you would list as the bullet points so they can maybe have an idea and take some notes and listen to this and see how they can help to balance this thyroid without going down some black holes?
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Do you have some bullet points you can put up there of things they should look at and change?
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I've seen a few people over the years who were on a raw vegetable diet, for example, eating lots of undercooked or raw broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, and soybeans.
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They were developing multiple endocrine problems just by adding some eggs and milk to their diet.
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People who were told that their pituitary gland was hopelessly defective just by adding eggs and milk and orange juice, their pituitary function came back to normal.
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Besides those raw vegetables, probably the two most important things for damaging thyroid function are a protein deficiency.
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People sometimes get along for years eating only 20 or 25 grams of protein a day, but that just isn't enough to keep your energy running at the proper high rate.
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The other thing is the polyunsaturated fats, which even on the ideal diet, they will still tend to accumulate in the body over the years.
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But if you're eating lots of vegetables and nuts, seeds are generally rich in polyunsaturated fats, and fatty fish and poultry and pork, because of what those animals are generally fed,
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the polyunsaturated fats are efficient for making the animals gain weight because their thyroid is suppressed so that they retain more of the food they eat as fat.
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So if you eat fatty fish, poultry, pork, and the vegetables that are high in those polyunsaturated fats, you retain progressively.
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They inhibit the secretion of the thyroid hormone from the gland by blocking enzymes, and they interfere with the transport from the gland to your tissues.
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And then in the tissues, they block the actions of the thyroid hormone.
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And at the same time, these polyunsaturated fats are intensifying the actions of estrogen and actually stimulating the formation of estrogen.
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And the estrogen is a major inhibitor of the secretion of the thyroid hormone.
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So the polyunsaturated fats work complexly on your whole metabolic system.
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Ultimately, they tend to degrade the mitochondria that produce the carbon dioxide.
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Wow, what a trail that you've just, an image that you've just painted for us.
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So what are your favorite proteins if we want to get so many?
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Do we have a number of so many grams of protein per body weight that is a good starting point?
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The National Academy of Science did a study for the Army, and they found that even medium-sized men and women at just desk work, just ordinary eight-hour-a-day activity, nothing very physical,
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needed at least 100 grams of protein a day to work efficiently.
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And they didn't specify the upper limit, but the minimum even for medium-sized women was about 100 grams per day.
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And the trouble is that the highest quality proteins are rich in methionine, cysteine, and tryptophan, and all of these happen to be potentially toxic amino acids.
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Too much of them can cause seizures or inflammation, excitotoxic processes.
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So ideally, you would get more gelatin-like amino acids.
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Gelatin happens to be deficient or to lack those toxic or excitatory amino acids, methionine, cysteine, and tryptophan.
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But fruits have a fair amount of amino acids, typically about 1% or milk is 3%.
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So milk happens to have some anti-stress factors, a variety of nutrients and proteins that counter the stress which the excitatory amino acids would promote.
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And the high calcium content of milk is the most important anti-stress factor.
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So gelatin is your favorite. That's the gelatin, you get Great Lakes gelatin, that gelatin?
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Yeah.
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It's one of your favorites for protein.
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For an old person, that's the best because it doesn't support tumor growth, for example.
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Oh, but for younger types, 20, 30, 40?
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When you're growing up until 25 or so, you need the full protein like milk and cheese and eggs.
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And as the body goes around more revolutions around the sun, it can do well with just the gelatin?
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Yeah. Many years ago, nutritionists noticed that old people sometimes would live on maybe jello and toast or something that seemed completely impossible.
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But it happens that the gelatin is just about what the old person needs with just a very small amount of the tryptophan methionine to keep your hair growing and such.
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And if one wanted to do animal foods, what in your opinion, the literature shows that are some of the most preferable ones to have for protein?
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Yeah. All of the animal foods are very rich in those essential and growth-promoting amino acids.
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So, with age, to be safe from inflammation, you don't want to overdo the growth-promoting, especially if they're associated with polyunsaturated fats.
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So, then the fatty fish and you said pork and chicken, poultry, they tend to have more of the poofers because of what they're fed?
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Yeah. Soybeans and corn, for example, have a very high proportion of unsaturated fats.
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And during the 1940s, it was discovered that those grains produced the best return on investment.
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A small amount of the fatty grains would produce the best weight production per dollar.
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Sure. But even now in the awareness that's out there, Dr. Peat, at farmers markets, you can find eggs from mostly grass-fed, but then when they do supplement, you can get organic feed with no soy, which sounds pretty good.
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But even those eggs can have more poofers than we want because there's corn in this feed? How can you find eggs that are worth eating?
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My friends in Mexico would feed their kitchen scraps to the chickens and there would be lots of meat scraps and lots of tortillas, leftover tortillas, which had the fat removed.
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Interesting.
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Their eggs were super. The taste is improved as the polyunsaturated fat content goes down. The cholesterol tends to increase and the taste is better.
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If you have noticed, supermarket eggs, sometimes they will say they're high in N-3, Omega-3 fatty acids. I've noticed that those have a very fishy taste.
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Flax seed has been used as a chicken food supplement for those fatty acids, but I think people notice the fishy taste and tend to stay away from those just after they notice the taste.
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If one were going to have their own chickens and they were going to do supplemental feed, what would be an ideal if they don't have enough grass in the winter and such?
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Table scraps are very good. Bread or tortillas or cooked potatoes, all kinds of edible human food is very good for chickens.
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Very interesting. Dr. Ray Peat is with us. Stay right there, Dr. Peat.
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And what do you just write? Something different every few months about what you're thinking about on your newsletter, Dr. Peat?
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Yeah, the current one is on the history and mechanism of vaccination.
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And that relates to many of the things I've been working on, how the immune system works,
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and what the mechanism of most of the vaccines is creating a local inflammation at the site of injection.
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They use not only aluminum as an irritant, but many other antigens are in the average vaccine that cause a local inflammation.
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But that local inflammation leads to delivery of these same irritants to the brain and the reproductive organs, causing chronic symptoms in a large proportion of the people.
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It's admitted that 10 to 15 percent of the people will have maybe a few days of fever from the inflammation.
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But they're still recommending that pregnant women get two vaccines, both of which contain aluminum.
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And it's generally recognized that inflammation during pregnancy, no matter what is the cause,
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inflammation during pregnancy changes the way the fetus's brain is developing.
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So the official authorities have acknowledged all of the brain-changing effects of the vaccines, but still they say the vaccines are harmless.
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You must take them.
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So this newsletter...
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Is all about that.
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It's opening up a lot of themes that I'll be writing about more in the future.
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So we've read also and been told by Dr. Cowan that the vaccines, they disrupt this, what he calls the innate immune system, right?
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The body's immune system?
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Yeah. When I was in graduate school, we had an international immunology conference and the big shots from all around the world came and did their presentation.
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And at that time, the innate immune system was considered a primitive thing, irrelevant.
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These people were talking about the structure and function of the antibodies.
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That line of thinking was continuous from the time of Paul Ehrlich and his magic bullet.
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The antibodies were still being thought of as extensions of Paul Ehrlich's magic bullet.
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But Ehrlich shared the Nobel Prize with Metchnikoff, who was an embryologist who showed the immune function as part of the whole developmental process of the organism, a holistic view.
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And in the 1960s, this was put aside as a primitive, somewhat irrelevant form of immunity.
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But now it's coming out that the antibody system is kind of a desperate last measure of immunity.
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It's promoted by estrogen and the stress hormones.
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Meanwhile, the innate immune system actually does learn and is an adaptive immune system.
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But the antibody people were saying that the antibody system is the adaptive part and the innate system is merely a primitive forerunner of this fancy system.
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So the innate immune system would be a child goes out, or a dog, or whatever, and gets exposed to something and the body just kind of figures out, kind of learns how to work with it and gets stronger because of it.
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Yeah, and the natural exposure to irritants and infections is through the skin or the lungs or the digestive system or even the eye membranes, but definitely not through the muscle where you inject something into the muscle.
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It's an absolutely different process.
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So the innate immune system in theory would then keep getting stronger and more intelligent as more substances were exposed to the organism, the human, the mammals, the people.
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Yeah, and also in the 1960s, plants were demonstrated to have a learning immune system.
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So the evidence was that the immune system, even in plants, is intelligent and adaptive.
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Almost an argument for organic where the less you mess around with it, if possible, the more it's going to figure out what to do.
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Yeah, there have been studies in several countries. India has done a lot of it, showing that vitamin A can reduce infectious disease on a level comparable to vaccines.
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And vitamin D is the other essential immune-supporting nutrient.
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Very few studies have combined vitamin A and D and generally good nutrition.
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The idea is how to keep infections spreading from poor countries.
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And vitamin A doesn't cost very much, so they reduce the focus of infection by giving people partial nutrition.
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But if you simply gave everyone good nutrition, you wouldn't have epidemics.
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So we kind of understand the innate immune system.
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So when you give a vaccine with the adjuvants like aluminum and such, talk us through how this antibody theory is supposed to work.
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It's a very complicated course.
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You have cells that catch the antigen and process it and communicate it to the cells,
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which supposedly it's a cell that has already mutated to be able to match that antigen.
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And that one cell multiplies as a clone called the clonal selection theory.
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And that one antibody's descendants produces a flood of these specific antibodies that then persist in the body sometimes for the whole lifetime.
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And that's supposed to be a process that promotes the vaccines to make the body immune from whatever measles, mumps and stuff.
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Yeah, and I got interested in the fact that estrogen promotes the B cells which produce the antibodies,
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where progesterone supports the thymus gland and the T cells which have the intelligent adaptability and multiple levels of interacting with bad factors.
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And it happens that estrogen promotes autoimmunity. Women have five or ten times the incidence of autoimmune diseases as men because of this influence of estrogen.
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And the fact that the vaccines are working exclusively on that system shouldn't be surprising that autoimmune diseases are the fastest growing malady in the population.
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I think it's not only the estrogenic substances but the vaccines which work in exactly the same way that estrogen stress does.
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Dr. Ray Peters with us January 20. Dr. Peters, you probably know there's more and more talk about adults being forced, if you will, to perhaps get some vaccines moving forward with all these.
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I just saw two where they're actually checking people coming now in from China, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Houston and New York.
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I mean, you can see the kind of paradigm being built to wanting to protect us from all these outside sources.
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I wonder if a 40 or 50 year old would take some vaccines because many people conjecture that you won't be able to fly unless you're up on your vaccines and we think that's possibly coming.
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How it affects an adult, a 50 year old, as compared to a six year old?
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That should have been studied in aging animals. If you look at the actual investigations of how vaccines work and how they work on different individuals, females versus males, old versus young, those studies just haven't been done.
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They don't care. In 1986, the government passed a law saying that the drug companies would have no liability at all for any harm done by the vaccines.
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And the Department of Health Human Services pledged at the time that they would check and work with the drug companies to improve the safety of the vaccines and would report every two years.
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But 30 years later, a lawsuit when Freedom of Information didn't get the information, they sued them. And finally, the secretary of HHS admitted that they had done absolutely nothing over those 30 years.
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And when you look at these studies, the pressure is put on the journals so that critical articles have been retracted and denounced as fraudulent just because they were criticizing the dangers of the vaccines.
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But many of the studies supposedly testing the safety of the vaccines used as a control the whole vaccine minus one antigen.
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And the control contained the most toxic understood part of the vaccine, the adjuvants. And so they were comparing a known toxin against the vaccine and saying the vaccine wasn't much more toxic than the toxic components.
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So it's a completely crazy, crooked way to do science. But those articles, no one has pressured them to be withdrawn, even though they're essentially fraudulent.
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My goodness. My goodness.
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So your latest newsletter is all about this on rayPeate.com, right? Dr. Peate.com.
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Fascinating. Here's an email for you. Hello to both of you. You're just great. Thank you. Two questions. Are thyroid nodules reversible? And do you know a good source for desiccated thyroid?
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No, I've looked into many, many over the years. When the Armour product was sold to a different company, the recipe was changed and completely different things are put into it now.
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And for at least the first 20 or 30 years, they were removing the thyroid calcitonin hormone and selling it separately. So I stopped using the glandular.
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I happen to have some of the powdered pure gland from a chemical company that I trust, but I don't know of any well-defined reliable glandular product now.
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So today you cannot recommend one reliable glandular product out there in the market. I mean, if you had to choose one, which one would you go with for our listeners if they don't have a choice?
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I've heard the fewest bad things about WP and Nature Throid.
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WP, is that a brand?
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Yeah.
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And Nature Throid. You've heard the fewest issues about it?
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Yeah, but I haven't used them personally, so I'm not sure. I use a synthetic that was designed to be exactly equivalent to the old Armour thyroid product 40 years ago.
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It's called CINO+. It's a mixture of T4 and T3 in the same ratio that the old Armour had.
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Oh, CINO+. And is that available in the United States? I know you gave us a source in Mexico where you can get that.
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That's the only place I know of.
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Yeah. Do we know that website? I used to have that. People are going to ask, I know.
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PharmaciaDelNino.MX
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Yeah, Pharmacia. Yeah, we'll put that on there. So it's CINO+ S-C-N-O-P-L-U-S?
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C-Y-N-O, like CINO+.
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CINO+. And that's got T3 and T4, and that's one of the cleanest forms, or it's a synthetic?
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Yeah. And the tablets are equivalent to more than two grains of the old Armour, so you want to start with about an eighth of a tablet or a fourth of a tablet.
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Didn't they come in a powder too, if I recall? No?
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Not that I know of.
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Yeah. So you'd have to be careful about your dosage on that one, because it's pretty big, right? 120, right?
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It's equivalent to, I think, about 130 or 140 milligrams of Armour.
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Wow. Yeah, CINO+. And this lady wanted to know about thyroid nodules reversible.