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 and it's very, very, very provocative, wonderful stuff.

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 So, Ray, I believe you're there with us, yes?

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 I am.

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 Okay.

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 Introduced to many people for the first time as the researcher from whom Dr. John Lee,

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 author of "What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Metapause,"

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 first learned about the benefits of natural progesterone supplementation,

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 Dr. Raymond Peat received his Ph.D. in biology from the University of Oregon,

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 specializing in physiology.

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 He has written "Mind and Tissue," "Progesterone in Orthomolecular Medicine,"

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 and "Nutrition for Women," including a new book,

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 which I believe we may be privy to at some point soon.

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 He's also written several articles in journals.

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 He has taught at the University of Oregon, Urbana College,

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 Montana State University, National College of Naturopathic Medicine,

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 Universidad Veracruzana, and the Universidad Autonoma del Estado de Mexico,

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 and he also founded Blake College International University.

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 He does independent research and private endocrinological and nutritional counseling.

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 So welcome to you.

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 I'm so pleased that you took the time out to come and be with us.

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 Let me start with--I want to talk about more than just progesterone today.

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 I want to talk about everything, but I would like, for those people who are not--

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 who don't know your work very well,

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 I'd like to ask you how you came to the conclusion that women need supplementation

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 with natural progesterone and not with estrogen.

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 In the '50s, I saw people getting estrogen therapy and dying or going crazy

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 or getting rheumatoid arthritis, and it was so obvious that, like,

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 one woman went into a mental breakdown an hour after she had an injection of estrogen,

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 and her daughter died at the age of about 27 after taking early birth control pills

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 that were high in estrogen.

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 And I began just keeping my ears open to the nature of the research that was supporting it

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 and realized that it really was all advertising,

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 and the research went completely in the other direction,

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 and so I decided to go back to graduate school.

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 I had been in linguistics and literature, and I intended to study nerve biology,

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 and I thought that that was dominated by some very foolish dogmas

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 that the least dogmatic work was being done in reproductive physiology,

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 and there I saw that estrogen explained infertility and reproductive aging.

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 It accelerated or imitated all of the known age-related changes.

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 And this is true for men as well.

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 Yeah, and these changes are so fundamental and general

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 that you can't really distinguish between the free radical damage done by unopposed estrogen

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 or by heavy metals or by x-rays or by anything that interferes with oxidative metabolism.

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 As you just said, what you discovered is that aging and estrogen dominance share symptoms.

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 A lot of people don't realize that when men age, it isn't that they are losing testosterone in particular.

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 Mostly what's happening is that they're gaining estrogen.

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 Yeah, for example, prostate enlargement and then cancer occurs in aging men,

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 and it is precisely the men who are deficient in testosterone

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 and have an excess of estrogen who get the enlarged and cancerous prostate.

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 And so what we're saying is that aging and estrogen dominance share symptoms

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 which include diminished cellular respiratory capacity, which causes energy loss,

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 and it increases your risk of cancer.

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 And it's a vicious circle too because estrogen not only causes the respiratory defect,

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 but once you get stressed and sick, even an acute stress drastically raises your body's estrogen

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 so that hospitalized people, men or women, typically have very high estrogen levels.

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 A heart attack, for example, is associated with very high estrogen levels in men.

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 I might mention here also that I think we've, at least those of us who listen to alternative radio,

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 KPFA as an example, know about the fact that our environment is full of estrogenic,

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 xenoestrogen-mimicking chemicals, lots of pesticides and whatnot.

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 Yeah, this is very old information.

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 In the '60s when I was starting my research, I saw that for decades people had known

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 that soot is full of a vast number of estrogenic compounds,

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 the same things which are carcinogenic in smoke have a very neat estrogenic function.

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 That's why estrogen was such an easy thing to commercialize by the drug companies

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 because you could find it everywhere.

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 I want to talk about progesterone, but before we talk about progesterone,

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 I'd like you to describe what role the thyroid plays in restoring balance when estrogen is dominant.

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 The liver, this was work done by the Biscons in the early 1940s.

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 The liver is the main thing that regulates and holds your estrogen in check.

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 And the liver, to do its work, requires adequate protein, nutrition, essentially,

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 and a basic amount of B vitamins.

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 But these don't work unless you have adequate thyroid to make the liver able to metabolize the protein.

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 You know, this would also explain why more women have trouble with thyroid function.

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 I think the other things you mention is that we already have estrogen and have, as you put it in the book, less active livers.

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 Although I'm really noticing that with increased alcohol consumption, use of pharmaceuticals,

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 and then what we just talked about, the estrogenic environmental pollutants,

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 and the sorts of infectious diseases that men are getting, that men as well are quite estrogen dominant.

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 But it does seem that women tend to be the ones that are red flagged the fastest for low thyroid symptoms.

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 Why is it hard to evaluate the adequacy of thyroid function with a blood test?

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 It wouldn't necessarily be so hard, but the scientific work that was being done in the '30s and early '40s

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 showed that respiration goes down as your thyroid goes down.

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 But the basic technique simply involved measuring how much oxygen you would breathe in a period of a few minutes.

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 And the drug companies didn't have any way to market air to be breathed in the lab,

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 and they came up with a blood test called the protein-bound iodine measurement

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 and sold everyone on the idea that this was scientific.

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 And it turned out that instead of 40% of the population being low respirers,

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 only 5% were low in the protein-bound iodine test.

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 And when I was in school, everyone who was overweight had been told by their doctors

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 that they had behavioral or personality defects, not a hormone problem,

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 because the drug companies convinced everyone that really needed thyroid,

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 since the test didn't show low thyroid that 95% of the people have some other problem.

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 But in the '60s, the protein-bound iodine was found to have essentially nothing to do with thyroid function.

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 And what remained in everyone's mind was that 95% of the population do not need thyroid.

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 So now, no matter how perfect the test might measure your thyroid response,

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 the fixed idea is that you are not likely to need thyroid.

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 Yeah. In fact, actually, when a lot of people who present with some of the symptoms that you describe in the book

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 that would indicate a possible problem with thyroid, like having an extremely low resting pulse,

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 and in many cases this is not someone who's athletic, their temperature is below normal, very much below normal,

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 pulses, as I mentioned, slow, reflexes are not quite right, they're cold all the time,

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 all of these things that we normally associate with low thyroid function.

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 And then when the doctor does a panel, they're not seeing a low thyroid in the blood.

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 And either over or underweight can be caused by low thyroid, so it isn't just a matter of fat people needing thyroid.

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 Very often, people who can't gain a normal amount of weight need thyroid.

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 And dry skin and falling hair are two of the very important indicators,

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 and those tend to increase with aging and to some extent they can be reversed by restoring the hormones.

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 Just a few months ago, someone found that an anti-estrogen chemical restores hair growth in animals,

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 and this is one of the things that thyroid researchers have suspected,

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 low thyroid people have high estrogen, and estrogen interferes with the development of the cell follicle, the hair follicle.

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 And estrogen also makes it difficult for the body to utilize thyroid, and for the thyroid to produce it,

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 but I mean even if you're taking supplemental thyroid, if your estrogen levels are high, it will also interfere.

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 So what we've got here is a situation where people are walking around with these symptoms.

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 Do you have any suggestions on how people are going to get their doctors to respond to this?

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 I mean if they're doing a blood test and they're seeing, I mean one of the ways that I've sort of intervened

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 is to have people have their doctors also check for antibody levels, and that sometimes gets their attention.

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 Well, what I usually do is go over a person's problems and have them make a list of at least five of the classical indicators of hypothyroidism.

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 Cold hands and feet, gaining weight when they don't eat very much, being constipated, having dry skin and hair,

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 all of--there are about 200 classical indicators, and if a person puts together a list of complaints,

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 any doctor that went to medical school is likely to recognize by the time they've named five or six classical complaints

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 that there could be a thyroid problem.

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 I'll throw in a couple more.

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 People who are low in--the body converts thyroid into T3.

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 I mean it's kind of complicated. I don't want to get into the specifics of it, but if you're too low in T3,

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 if you don't have enough, you also become very depressive.

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 And also, because I work with people in a variety of ways, including exercise, if people begin to do exercise,

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 they begin to gain weight if the thyroid is not functioning well.

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 In addition to that, what you've cautioned against is people doing what we call aerobic exercise,

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 but doing it in a state where they're out of breath.

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 So these people who do exhaustive hours of running and getting on the Stairmaster,

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 and they're almost breathless, and they do this for a long period of time, may in fact, or certainly in fact,

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 are suppressing thyroid function.

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 Yeah, someone put volunteers on a treadmill and had them walk for 40 minutes,

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 keeping their pulse rate under 120 beats per minute, so gentle exercise just for 40 minutes.

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 And then they measured the amount of the active thyroid hormone, T3, in their blood,

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 and it had gone to zero in that short time.

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 One of the things that also can happen is we have an estrogenic environment,

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 and then we have these dietary changes that have occurred in the United States over the last few years.

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 Suddenly, the food industry has been pushing polyunsaturated vegetable oils.

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 They've been pushing a high-carbohydrate diet, stressing the use of soy and legumes in the diet,

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 and in fact, it looks to me as though the cancer rates have gone through the ceiling,

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 and in addition to that, I think there's just an endemic problem with thyroid right now.

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 Would you like to comment on that?

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 In the '30s, one of the indicators of--it was a very reliable sign that the thyroid was low

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 when the blood cholesterol level was very high, and people demonstrated that if you removed the thyroid gland,

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 immediately their blood cholesterol started up, and if you gave them a thyroid supplement,

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 immediately the blood cholesterol would return to normal,

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 and it happens that if you poison the liver, it can't make cholesterol,

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 and someone discovered that if you feed the animals a very large amount of unsaturated feed oils,

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 it will suppress the cholesterol while also suppressing their metabolism,

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 and the pig farmers, for example, found it useful to add large amounts of corn or soybeans to the animals' diets

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 to make them hypometabolic so they got fat on very little food,

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 but this same procedure is so toxic to the liver that it doesn't normally in itself cause direct elevation of cholesterol

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 the way simple hypothyroidism does,

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 and even though it was established that low thyroid individuals were susceptible to heart disease

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 because of the thyroid deficiency,

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 the fact that low thyroid people have high cholesterol became attached with the thought that cholesterol could be blamed instead of low thyroid,

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 and the promotion of the feed oils was largely based on the idea that it would lower cholesterol and prevent heart disease,

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 but in fact it lowers cholesterol while causing hypothyroidism,

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 and just in the last few years, the research is accumulating showing that it is not really connected directly at all with cholesterol,

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 but heart disease is the result of plaque that develops in blood vessels,

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 and that this plaque is like age pigment, the product of free radical breakdown of unsaturated fats,

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 and that the blood vessels are most intimately exposed to both oxygen, abundant iron from the hemoglobin,

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 and the unsaturated fats that are either being digested or drawn out of storage,

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 and so you have the perfect conditions for creating free radicals during stress when the unsaturated fats are circulating in the bloodstream.

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 So what we're saying, Ray, is that this sort of move, in addition, not only did they introduce unsaturated fats as a panacea for saving everybody's lives,

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 but these were also very badly processed, they were heated, they were highly processed, which makes the free radical production even worse,

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 but in addition to that, there's a whole sort of mythology about diet,

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 I mean there are people telling us that the Asian people don't get cancer, and that soy is wonderful, and all of this,

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 and I know you have very strong opinions about this, and I'd like to hear you talk about them.

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 Well, the soy monopoly is really extremely powerful in the United States,

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 it subsidizes research and propaganda, medical society meetings, and books,

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 and it's doing just a very powerful job of diverting people's attention from this research,

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 which is coming out showing that unsaturated fats are intimately involved in heart disease and strokes,

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 and what they're doing is over and over repeating certain associations,

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 that breast cancer is lower in Japan, for example, than in the United States,

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 and when Japanese live in this country, they have the same rate of breast cancer as Americans,

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 but they neglect everything else that was traditional in Japan,

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 women didn't smoke, for example,

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 and green tea also,

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 they tended to stay at home, and they ate lots of strange shellfish,

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 and all kinds of foods that are simply not available in the United States.

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 Well, you know, what people say about soy, and what's confusing to people, the consumers,

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 is that on the one hand, there's supposed to be these sort of estrogenic phytoestrogens in soy,

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 and there's also this concept of there being isoflavones in better,

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 well, let me just finish what it is so people know what I'm talking about,

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 which is not estrogen, but they're estrogen analogs that take up the receptor sites,

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 and they're supposed to protect against estrogen,

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 so this is confusing for people, because they think, oh, we're supposed to eat soy,

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 because it protects against that, and then other, so what do you say?

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 Well, that same ideology is being used to promote estriol as the weak natural estrogen,

00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:18.000
 but estriol has essentially the same kind of toxicity that any estrogen does,

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 and we should remember that DES, which caused even generations later abnormalities in cancer in the babies,

00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:43.000
 that DES is a classical weak estrogen that doesn't have the same strong concentration relationship to estrogen effects,

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 but it has very broad capacity to disrupt cell functions while acting in many ways like an estrogen,

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 and so the weakness has nothing to do with the toxicity, the weakness of binding to the estrogen receptor.

00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:15.000
 The estrogenic substances can be just as toxic whether or not they bind to the so-called estrogen receptor,

00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:25.000
 because there are so many ways that estrogen has its effects, not just the classical so-called receptor.

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 For 40 years or so, people recognized that estrogen had a wide spectrum of instantaneous effects.

00:24:35.000 --> 00:24:40.000
 It imitates the shock reaction and causes cells to take up water and such

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 in a time that it couldn't possibly be acting through the classical receptor.

00:24:46.000 --> 00:24:54.000
 So there is sort of either a signal action or a chemical action of any estrogenic substance,

00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:57.000
 which has nothing to do with the estrogen receptors,

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 and when you compare estriol and DES and the phytoestrogens,

00:25:05.000 --> 00:25:15.000
 what they have in common is that they are toxic to the reproductive system, will cause miscarriages and abortions.

00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:23.000
 There are strains of sheep which are known to be resistant to phytoestrogens,

00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:27.000
 and they happen to be the ones that are adapted to live elevations,

00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:35.000
 because the phytoestrogens cause abortions by interfering with the oxidative metabolism.

00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:44.000
 So if they have a special resistant hemoglobin and physiology, they can stand the phytoestrogens,

00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:49.000
 but when you test them on a range of lab animals,

00:25:49.000 --> 00:26:01.000
 these bioflavonoids or isoflavones and so on have the same drastic toxic effects that DES, for example, has.

00:26:01.000 --> 00:26:09.000
 They cause deformities in the genitals of the baby animals when the mothers are exposed to them.

00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:15.000
 So basically, just because we have listeners who are not at all scientific in their mindset,

00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:20.000
 before we go to a quick break, what you're saying is that whether you want to say that they--

00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:24.000
 whatever you want to say, what you're saying is that soy still has estrogenic effects,

00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:28.000
 which means that it's going to oppose and interfere with thyroid function,

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 and that people who are eating-- and we'll come back to this after we take a break--

00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:36.000
 people who are eating diets who are high in soy and also other legumes

00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:41.000
 may in fact be creating a hypo- or low-thyroid condition.

00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:48.000
 Yeah. At the time some of these claims were coming out several months ago,

00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:55.000
 I noticed a report from China that there were 100 million hypothyroid people there,

00:26:55.000 --> 00:27:07.000
 and goitrism, cretinism, and so on are extremely common in bean-eating, soybean or any kind of bean.

00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:13.000
 The Andes and all the way from the mountains of central Mexico to the tip of South America,

00:27:13.000 --> 00:27:21.000
 the bean-eating cultures have an extremely high incidence of goitr and cretinism.

00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:24.000
 Okay. Well, listen, we're going to take a very, very brief musical break,

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00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:36.000
 What we're talking about right now is the fact that not only because of

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 the environmental situation in our environment with the chemicals and whatnot,

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 and particularly low thyroid.

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 A lot of it's undiagnosed, and we've been talking about the role of diet.

00:30:55.000 --> 00:31:01.000
 And what we were just saying is all these people who say that the Asian diet is healthier--

00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:05.000
 Ray just shared with us a statistic, which is a hard word to say--

00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:11.000
 that there are 100 million Cretans, people with thyroid disease, in China.

00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:13.000
 That's significant.

00:31:13.000 --> 00:31:19.000
 So the other thing is the use of high-quality animal protein to increase energy.

00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:24.000
 Part of what we're talking about when we talk about thyroid is increasing oxidation and energy,

00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:28.000
 respiration and energy in the cells. Yes?

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 And I'm not sure of all of the ways in which protein supports thyroid,

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 but in effect the liver seems to think we're starving to death

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 if we don't get adequate high-quality protein.

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 It has the function of making albumin and other proteins to maintain blood physiology.

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 And if it's deficient in the right amino acids that you get from high-quality proteins,

00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:06.000
 such as milk and eggs, it acts as if it's starving,

00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:14.000
 and it sends out signals to draw on the body's own protein tissues,

00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:19.000
 but to prevent the rapid breakdown of the body's own tissues

00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:22.000
 when you're not eating enough protein.

00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:30.000
 The body senses the changed chemistry and very quickly suppresses the thyroid.

00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:37.000
 So there is this known connection between a protein deficiency or imbalance

00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:41.000
 and an adaptive suppression of the thyroid.

00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:48.000
 So that's one of the important outcomes, is that people on a low-protein diet,

00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:55.000
 their thyroid turns down so that they don't eat up their own tissues.

00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:57.000
 It's the same as going on a fast.

00:32:57.000 --> 00:33:02.000
 You lose weight for the first day, but then your thyroid is suppressed,

00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:08.000
 and after day one you lose only about an ounce a day or something.

00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:14.000
 Yeah, I don't like fasts because I think they also have a detrimental effect on metabolism,

00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:18.000
 even if people are drinking juices and stuff.

00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:23.000
 You like people to use, along with milk and eggs and animal protein--

00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:28.000
 and I should mention that these need to be clean source, as clean as you can find,

00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:32.000
 because obviously the dairy and meat industries are fond of putting hormones in their products,

00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:39.000
 so you do need to be aggressive about locating stores that sell free-range and ask questions.

00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:43.000
 Really watch out for your food source.

00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:46.000
 But using some form of animal protein,

00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:54.000
 and you like mixing this with fruit as a carbohydrate and also white potatoes.

00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:57.000
 Why don't you like the use of grain?

00:33:57.000 --> 00:34:09.000
 Because the plant defense system puts its worst toxins in the seed to prevent its next generation,

00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:21.000
 and these toxins turn out to apparently have been evolved to make the seed undesirable to animals

00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:25.000
 by blocking their digestion, poisoning their metabolism.

00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:32.000
 So it takes pretty fancy treatment to make them even digestible and useful.

00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:36.000
 That's where the traditional leavening process comes in.

00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:40.000
 It helps to detoxify the grains.

00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:46.000
 So the worst grain material is one which is not traditionally processed.

00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:56.000
 The American native cultures found that by boiling their grains with alkali,

00:34:56.000 --> 00:35:02.000
 they would detoxify them enough that they weren't terribly poisonous,

00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:08.000
 but still they weren't adequate nutrition in themselves.

00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:14.000
 The particular type of calorie in grains,

00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:22.000
 their protein value should be discounted because the protein is of such low quality,

00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:28.000
 not just the quantity, but the quality is the lowest protein known.

00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:37.000
 So if you count them as calories, what you see is either unsaturated fats or starches,

00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:45.000
 and the white refined flour, for example, is essentially pure glucose.

00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:54.000
 Starch is made up of a chain of glucose molecules where fruit sugar is half fructose and half glucose,

00:35:54.000 --> 00:36:00.000
 and glucose is a powerful stimulant to insulin and the synthesis of fat.

00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:05.000
 So the grains are well designed to cause obesity.

00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:11.000
 These complex carbohydrates, which are chemically pure glucose,

00:36:11.000 --> 00:36:21.000
 stimulate fat production and increase the appetite so that they start the chain of putting on fat.

00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:31.000
 The fructose component of fruit sugar does not have that powerful effect on insulin.

00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:34.000
 It's very slow and indirect.

00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:40.000
 The fruit comes with many of the minerals which work in place of insulin

00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:46.000
 and have a slightly suppressive effect on the insulin.

00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:56.000
 And the fruit has a strange side effect.

00:36:56.000 --> 00:37:00.000
 It happens to promote cholesterol production,

00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:06.000
 and that's one of the reasons I emphasize having plenty of fruit sugar because the fructose,

00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:14.000
 while it doesn't cause obesity, it does help your liver to produce more cholesterol,

00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:19.000
 which is then available if your thyroid is functioning,

00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:24.000
 to turn into the protective hormones pregnenolone and progesterone.

00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:26.000
 Now, we're running out of time.

00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:32.000
 We've got about six minutes left, and I know that there are some other issues that we want to cover, albeit quickly,

00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:34.000
 so I apologize for this because they're important.

00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:39.000
 And as usual, I may need to reschedule another show with you, particularly when your new book comes out.

00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:42.000
 Coconut oil, you know, you made a dent.

00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:46.000
 There are nutritionists talking about how great coconut oil is and how it's a metabolic stimulant,

00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:49.000
 so much for the idea that saturated fat is nasty.

00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:55.000
 I think what we're talking about is that if your thyroid is not functioning well, if it's suppressed,

00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:58.000
 either through diet or stress or environmental things,

00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:04.000
 your body needs the cholesterol from these sources in order to create these hormones.

00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:07.000
 If your thyroid is suppressed, you then will have problems with cholesterol.

00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:14.000
 Yeah, when I see someone with above-average cholesterol, I think they're in pretty good shape

00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:22.000
 because I've seen people drop their cholesterol levels 80 points a day, 60 to 80 points,

00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:30.000
 by using quick-acting thyroid when they had to pass a health exam, for example.

00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:34.000
 So it's no problem at all to get your high cholesterol down to normal,

00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:41.000
 but to get low cholesterol up to normal so that you have the defensive anti-cancer,

00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:48.000
 anti-aging, anti-stress hormones, fruit is really the only practical thing I know of

00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:54.000
 that will help the liver recover from the toxic unsaturated fats and estrogens

00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:59.000
 and other things that block cholesterol production.

00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:03.000
 Ray, what is going on when someone becomes hyperthyroid?

00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:06.000
 You know, Graves' disease or the other--

00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:14.000
 Well, there are three kinds of Graves' disease, hyperthyroid, euthyroid, and hypothyroid.

00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:20.000
 So Graves' disease is not synonymous with hyperthyroidism.

00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:31.000
 And very often people are diagnosed as being hyperthyroid on the basis of having elevated thyroxin

00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:37.000
 in their blood in spite of very often having many signs of low thyroid.

00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:47.000
 And so you can't go by the standard idea of what hyperthyroidism is.

00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:57.000
 Occasionally I see someone who is really hyperthyroid, and that is generally a corrective process.

00:39:57.000 --> 00:40:05.000
 If they just, for example, eat some exaggeratedly nutritious foods, lots of eggs,

00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:11.000
 maybe some liver, plenty of very concentrated food,

00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:21.000
 usually the thyroid is unloading its excess and will correct itself in anywhere from three months to a year.

00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:23.000
 That's a very short answer for a complicated question,

00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:28.000
 so I apologize if we're giving a short answer to something that's complicated.

00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:32.000
 There have been publications on different ways to treat it,

00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:44.000
 and the outcome of the good studies was that radiation and surgery are almost never right.

00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:52.000
 The conservative treatment, either using diet or a drug just to control the symptoms,

00:40:52.000 --> 00:41:00.000
 practically always leads to resolution without the damage of surgery or radiation.

00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:05.000
 We only have about two or three minutes, and it's terrible to do this in the last seconds of the show,

00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:10.000
 but I wanted to say something about pregnenolone and DHEA.

00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:16.000
 Mostly when you like using these, it's when people are over 50 when the levels of DHEA decrease.

00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:21.000
 If someone tests -- there are tests now, you test DHEA levels -- if you test low,

00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:27.000
 should you not try pregnenolone first since it's the beginning of the chain, the pathway of hormones?

00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:31.000
 Yeah, pregnenolone is essentially always safe.

00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:36.000
 It stops the stress reaction and will --

00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:40.000
 whether you have, for example, Cushing's syndrome with too much cortisone

00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:45.000
 or Addison's disease with too little, pregnenolone, like progesterone,

00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:50.000
 will put you right down the middle and correct whatever is wrong.

00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:55.000
 And it's protective even if it isn't correcting a disease process,

00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:59.000
 and it will very often correct the DHEA level.

00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:09.000
 But I interpret the blood tests or saliva tests of DHEA really as indicating more about liver function

00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:16.000
 than about your need or actual tissue levels of the DHEA.

00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:24.000
 Without doing a tissue biopsy, I don't think there's any clear way to evaluate your DHEA status,

00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:26.000
 and it's better just to correct everything else.

00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:29.000
 So who should try pregnenolone?

00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:39.000
 Anyone who's over 48 or 50 and feeling like they've suddenly run into an energy wall.

00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:45.000
 If things are just -- like their skin is deteriorating and looking old

00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:48.000
 and they have no energy and are depressed and so on,

00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:58.000
 it very often is just because their glands have sort of hit the barrier of accumulated iron

00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:07.000
 and unsaturated fatty acids that make stress poison your adaptive system rather than stimulating it.

00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:08.000
 Okay.

00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:11.000
 You know, I have to let you go, and I'm really sorry,

00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:16.000
 because we really didn't get a chance to talk about the use of progesterone in fertility issues

00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:20.000
 and to prevent ADD-type children and stuff.

00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:22.000
 So what we'll have to do, if it's okay with you, Ray,

00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:24.000
 is get you back on to talk about the new book,

00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:26.000
 because I think all of that will be in the new book.

00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:27.000
 Is that not true?

00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:30.000
 Yeah, that book will be called "Female Hormones in Context."

00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:33.000
 And we're still looking for someone to print it properly.

00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:37.000
 So I'll be in touch with you, and we'll reschedule as soon as that book is out.

00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:40.000
 In the meantime, I really want to thank you for your generosity.

00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:42.000
 I want to thank you for donating the books today,

00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:48.000
 and most of all donating your time and being so patient with us as you explain these very complex issues.

00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:50.000
 Raymond Peat, thank you so much.

00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:51.000
 Thank you.

00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:52.000
 Okay. Talk to you soon.

00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:53.000
 Bye.

00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:55.000
 Well, now it's your turn.

00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:57.000
 Ray has been generous with us.

00:43:57.000 --> 00:43:58.000
 Now we need you.

00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:04.000
 And as usual, what I'm coming to you and asking you to do is creating a context for this show,

00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:06.000
 because this show means everything to me.

00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:08.000
 It's the most important thing I do in my life.

00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:10.000
 It's a realization of a dream.

00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:15.000
 And for me to have the opportunity to interview people like researchers like this,

00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:25.000
 who are not in the mainstream, who have avoided the mainstream so that he is not beholden or under any obligation to lie to you.

00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:30.000
 He's not connected to any companies, which is a hard thing to find these days with researchers.

00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:32.000
 And he has kept himself very pure.

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 He's a very political person.

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 The information he's giving you is not in the mainstream,

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 and you won't hear it anywhere else but KPFA.

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 This is the second show I've done with him.

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 I'm going to get him back on to talk about his new book.

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 This is absolutely groundbreaking information.

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 He's a very, very important researcher.

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 We're giving away three of his books today.

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 You want to call us now.

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 The numbers again are 510-848-5732 or 1-800-439-5732.

00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:09.000
 And the books are "Women in Nutrition" for $60,

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 "Generative Energy," which is a fascinating book.

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 It's very political, and it also talks about the whole context of biology,

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 also about all the stuff we were talking about today.

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 "Mind and Tissue," which is also for $60.

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 It is the Russian research perspective on the human brain.

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 This is also about energy and self-function.

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 It's talking about how important the brain is,

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 how the metabolism and the behavior adaptation and stress in the brain, so brain health.

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 Each book is $60.

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 It's a thank-you gift for pledging $60.

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 You can have two of the books for $100.

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 You can have all three for $150.

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 I don't see any callers.

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 Come on, people.

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 Do you like this information?

00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:46.000
 You guys clamored for me to get him back on.

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 After I had him on the first time, I was overwhelmed with calls.

00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:51.000
 The station was overwhelmed with calls.

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 This book is not available on bookstore shelves, easy for me to say.

00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:01.000
 These books are only available directly from Raymond Peat.

00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:05.000
 His information about where to reach him, how to get consultations,

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 about his newsletter and his other books are all in the back of these books.

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 You can get online with him and with us by now calling and pledging and getting these books.

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 All three of these books are fascinating reading.

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 You will not find these concepts anywhere else.

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 If it weren't for him, women would still be being given estrogen without even any question.

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 By goodness, he and John Lee became friends and John Lee started to promote progesterone.

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 Ray Peat is not someone who goes out and toots his own horn.

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 He's not easy to find.

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 He has a busy practice.

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 He's researching and writing books.

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 He's not interested in selling an idea.

00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:50.000
 His books are phenomenal and you have an opportunity that's rare now.

00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:52.000
 You can support the station.

00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:58.000
 You can support the show and enable me to continue to bring you this kind of very unusual information.

00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:03.000
 It's based on my 15-year relationship with him that he's willing to do these shows.

00:47:03.000 --> 00:47:05.000
 You won't hear this on another radio station.

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 Support us now.

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 So please call us.

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 It's 510-848-5732, 1-800-439-5732 or 1-800-HEY-KPFA.

00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:17.000
 Did you like that show, Summer?

00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:18.000
 I did.

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 I was listening upstairs to it and the first time I had heard him when he was talking about the progesterone,

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 I thought it was very interesting, an interesting perspective he had on the whole issue.

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 But I'm sitting here looking at this book, Nutrition for Women, and on the back it says,

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 what he talks about in here is chronic fatigue, premenstrual tension, breast pain, skin, nutrition and hormones,

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 estrogen and anxiety, the danger of iron supplements.

00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:50.000
 So I think that it's very, these are very useful books.

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 If you would like to get a copy of one of the three that Lane is offering today, you need to give us a call at 510-848-5732.

00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:07.000
 She's offering as a gift, as a gift for subscribing to KPFA, Women in Nutrition for a $60 pledge,

00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:13.000
 Generative Energy for a $60 pledge, Mind and Tissues for a $60 pledge.

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 And if you're running into busy signs, busy on the phone right now, we're getting a really good response.

00:48:21.000 --> 00:48:27.000
 So if you would like to get a copy of these books, we will let you know when a line is open.

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 Keep calling.

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 Sometimes it keeps ringing and then it cuts you off, but don't give up.

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 These books are well worth having.

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 I think probably the best package we're offering today is to get all three of the books for $150.

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 I mean, because what you're essentially doing is protecting this type of programming.

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 You're also letting me know what you want.

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 But by getting all three, these are, it's a phenomenal package, because Women in Nutrition is particularly about women and nutrition.

00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:59.000
 It does cross over to men in nutrition as well, because it's the same issues of hypothyroidism.

00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:05.000
 Generative Energy is almost like a dissertation on the relationship between biology and ecology,

00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:14.000
 and it's a call against reductionist thinking, but it has solid information about all of the historical perspective on the research we've been talking about,

00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:19.000
 about thyroid and energy, and it makes it possible for you to really understand what's going on.

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 It's a real call to action.

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 He's very political.

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 And Mind and Tissue is very provocative, because it is hearkening back to Reich and trends in Eastern Europe about energy and cell function and the brain.

00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:37.000
 Very interesting stuff, considering what's going on with attention deficit disorder and all of these things that we're seeing.

00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:44.000
 And you can have all three of these books for $150, and you support the station, and you support the show.

00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:52.000
 I think it's really wonderful when folks that we bring in, especially folks that Mayna brings in on this show,

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 are willing to make available to our listeners this information.

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 They're giving us these books at no cost for us, because they believe in KPFA.

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 They believe in our listeners.

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 They believe this information is information that you could benefit from.

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 You're not going to go to your regular medical doctor and get this kind of information.

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 It's like, "This is what we do for this. Take this pill. This is what we do for that."

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 Well, and as a matter of fact, I think that I'm going to order some additional copies of Generative Energy to give to some of my clients,

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 because I think they need to give this to their doctors, because doctors are not getting it.

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 I mean, I'm getting clients who are having their doctors call me, and they're saying, "Why do you want me to check her thyroid?"

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 I mean, it's like they're being receptive. They're listening.

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 But if I could shoot over a copy of Generative Energy...

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 So go into your doctor's office armed with this research. 1-800-Hey-KPFA, or 510-848-5732.

00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:53.000
 Write down the number. If you're not getting through, you can continue to call after the show is over.

00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:56.000
 We will continue to give you some books for some period of time afterwards.

00:50:56.000 --> 00:50:58.000
 Oh, yeah. You can keep calling in.

00:50:58.000 --> 00:51:03.000
 Why don't you talk a little bit about what's coming up? What's coming up in terms of programming?

00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:09.000
 Well, actually, next week's show is going to be fun. I've got sexologist Dr. Lonnie Barback.

00:51:09.000 --> 00:51:13.000
 There was a question about whether to do this for the pledge drive, because it's so close to Valentine's Day.

00:51:13.000 --> 00:51:19.000
 So it's going to be a little late, but we're going to still talk about her new book, which is "50 Ways to Please Your Lover."

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 I'm ready to read this book.

00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:28.000
 So you may want to pick up a copy of this book ahead of time, and then listen to the show.

00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:33.000
 You know what I have coming up that's really exciting is I noticed that Dr. Oliver Sacks was going to be in town.

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 So I called his publicist, and she said, "Well, yes, he would be glad to appear."

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 She's coming live. I'm going to be sitting here talking to him.

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 I can't tell you what it means to me to have access to these people. It's dying and going to heaven.

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 I really have just realized a dream by doing this.

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 And you make it possible by joining the station. It's because of you.

00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:55.000
 It's because of you that I do the show. It's a volunteer basis. I spend two days a week doing this show.

00:51:55.000 --> 00:52:00.000
 And I do it because it's a feedback loop. You give back to me. I give back to you.

00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:03.000
 I encounter these researchers. Their ideas get out.

00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:06.000
 We're part of the solution. We're becoming part of the solution together.

00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:12.000
 Well, let's give the numbers again. 1-800-439-5732.

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 If you were getting busy a few moments ago, now we do in fact have a few lines open.

00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:28.000
 Or if you're in the 510 area code, 510-848-5732, call and ask for either one of the books that Lane is offering today,

00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:34.000
 Women in Nutrition, Generative Energy, Mind and Tissues, for a $60 pledge each.

00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:42.000
 Or just go ahead and go for the $150 pledge. It's less than about $10 a month on the EFT plan.

00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:45.000
 You can also put this on your MasterCard or your Visa.

00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:48.000
 You can do it the way it works best for you.

00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:53.000
 You can even consider taking out a gift subscription if you are a subscriber already.

00:52:53.000 --> 00:53:00.000
 Consider upgrading your subscription. Or if you are a new listener to this show, call in now.

00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:06.000
 Become a new subscriber. You can also subscribe at the $45 rate if you can't afford $60.

00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:10.000
 And you'll still get a copy of our program guide every month.

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 The number again, 510-848-5732. There's a couple of lines open now.

00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:18.000
 You have an opportunity to get in there now.

00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:23.000
 We have only a few more moments before we need to move on to the next show.

00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:32.000
 A couple of lines open here, folks. 510-848-5732 or 1-800-439-5732. You can call us right now.

00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:38.000
 I want to ask you, Lana, what is the most important thing you want listeners to know about Ray Peate's work?

00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:41.000
 The thing that's most important is that he--

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 You remember the old days where there used to be these bumper stickers that said "Question Authority"?

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 Well, that's what Ray Peate is about. He says, "Look, if you go back and you look in the research files, all the way back,

00:53:52.000 --> 00:54:00.000
 there is evidence of many of the things that mainstream nutrition and mainstream medicine, if there is such a thing, are toting as being healthy."

00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:03.000
 Maybe not. Maybe it's not healthy.

00:54:03.000 --> 00:54:06.000
 You know, one of the things that's important about him is that--

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 And he challenges me constantly because there are things that we disagree about.

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 You know, we've had arguments about whether to supplement the diet with essential fats.

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 And he says, "But, you know, radiation decreases, you know, inflammation, too."

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 I mean, he's very thought-provoking in terms of what is the balance here and what is the bill at the end of using these various things.

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 And he goes back and he's got the research to support his work.

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 It's not that he's some kind of guy who's making this up.

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 He's researched a lot of this stuff.

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 But it's also his passion and his sense of love for people.

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 And he can be--you know, in a personal conversation, he can be sort of a little, like, annoyed with people.

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 But as soon as you start talking about this stuff, I can feel how desperately he wants people to protect themselves and be healthy.

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 How much of a passion it is for him.

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 He works very hard.

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 510-848-5732.

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 There is a line open now if you are getting busy.

00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:04.000
 Give us a call now.

00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:10.000
 We--you know, I really think that this show has gotten a tremendous response from listeners.

00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:14.000
 And part of it is because you are questioning authority.

00:55:14.000 --> 00:55:20.000
 Like Ray Peate, you're questioning and you want to know more about how to keep yourself healthy.

00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:22.000
 So if that's something that's important to you, call in now.

00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:26.000
 Get a copy of these three books for a pledge of $150.

00:55:26.000 --> 00:55:31.000
 You can have three of these books by Dr. Ray Peate.

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 You know, something wonderful that Robert Crayhlen once said to me, you know, a nutritionist who's been on a lot, who's popular,

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 is that a truly intelligent mind will be able to contain conflicting ideas at the same time.

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 So whatever you read or hear from Ray Peate, even if it kind of flips a switch or you go, "Huh," that process is creative.

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 It will help you to dig deeper into yourself and to experiment and use your body as a laboratory,

00:55:57.000 --> 00:56:01.000
 not in an irresponsible way, but in a way that's guided by knowledge.

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 So that's the only way to find health is to find that equilibrium and homestasis in each one of you and only with knowledge.

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 It's the only way you can do it.

00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:16.000
 1-800-439-5732 or 510-848-5732.

00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:19.000
 You can pledge at the $60 rate, the $45 rate.

00:56:19.000 --> 00:56:24.000
 If you can only afford to pledge $25, then KPFA can use it.

00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:31.000
 It's very helpful for us to know what kind of response we get to the different shows that we put on the air here at KPFA.

00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:38.000
 Right now we're getting a good response and we really need, in fact, you know, I found out this morning that we haven't made,

00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:41.000
 we're not getting, we're not close to our overall goal.

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 We've got a ways to go.

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 So don't feel today if you haven't been able to call in, you know, while we're here talking on the mic, that you can't still call in and support us.

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 It's very important that the station make its goal of $400,000 before Wednesday.

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 So, you know, if you've been waiting and holding back, now's the time to do it.

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 510-848-5732.

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 We've got a line open.

00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:06.000
 Now I'll tell you another thing that's interesting.

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 I was listening to the radio the other day and I heard Andrew Weil.

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 I know a lot of people like Andrew Weil, but a woman called in.

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 This was on KQED, I guess I can mention that on the air.

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 And a woman called in and said, "I have bleeding fibroids and I don't want to have a hysterectomy."

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 Right?

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 And Andrew Weil said, "Well, yeah, it sounds like you're estrogen dominant.

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 So the first thing to do is to eat more soy and get more exercise.

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 And then there are surgical techniques where they don't have to remove the uterus."

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 And I'm sitting there going, "What happened to natural progesterone?"

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 Hello? Hello?

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 You know, I mean, it's like Andrew Weil talks about this stuff as if he invented it.

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 And that's not all the information.

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 It's not all the information.