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Node.js Foundation Technical Steering Committee (TSC) Meeting 2018-02-28 #496

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mhdawson opened this issue Feb 26, 2018 · 25 comments
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mhdawson commented Feb 26, 2018

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UTC Wed 28-Feb-2018 22:00 (10:00 PM):

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US / Pacific Wed 28-Feb-2018 14:00 (02:00 PM)
US / Mountain Wed 28-Feb-2018 15:00 (03:00 PM)
US / Central Wed 28-Feb-2018 16:00 (04:00 PM)
US / Eastern Wed 28-Feb-2018 17:00 (05:00 PM)
London Wed 28-Feb-2018 22:00 (10:00 PM)
Amsterdam Wed 28-Feb-2018 23:00 (11:00 PM)
Moscow Thu 01-Mar-2018 01:00 (01:00 AM)
Chennai Thu 01-Mar-2018 03:30 (03:30 AM)
Hangzhou Thu 01-Mar-2018 06:00 (06:00 AM)
Tokyo Thu 01-Mar-2018 07:00 (07:00 AM)
Sydney Thu 01-Mar-2018 09:00 (09:00 AM)

Or in your local time:

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Extracted from tsc-agenda labelled issues and pull requests from the nodejs org prior to the meeting.

nodejs/node

  • process: doc-only deprecate non-string env value #18990
  • src: delete process.env values set to undefined #18158
  • buffer: runtime-deprecate Buffer ctor by default#15346

nodejs/TSC

  • Node.js OpenSSL Strategy #479
  • Tracking issue for updating TSC on Board Meetings #476
  • Foundation Update from Mark Hinkle
  • Strategic Initiatives - Tracking Issue #423

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The agenda comes from issues labelled with tsc-agenda across all of the repositories in the nodejs org. Please label any additional issues that should be on the agenda before the meeting starts.

Joining the meeting

Uberconference; participants should have the link & numbers, contact me if you don't.

Public participation

We stream our conference call straight to YouTube so anyone can listen to it live, it should start playing at https://www.youtube.com/c/nodejs+foundation/live when we turn it on. There's usually a short cat-herding time at the start of the meeting and then occasionally we have some quick private business to attend to before we can start recording & streaming. So be patient and it should show up.

Many of us will be on IRC in #node-dev on Freenode if you'd like to interact, we have a Q/A session scheduled at the end of the meeting if you'd like us to discuss anything in particular. @nodejs/collaborators in particular if there's anything you need from the TSC that's not worth putting on as a separate agenda item, this is a good place for that

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Again, I won’t be able to make it to this meeting due to a scheduling conflict.

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Added update from @mrhinkle to the agenda

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Trott commented Feb 26, 2018

Note that nodejs/node#18990 is an alternative to nodejs/node#18158 so they can effectively be treated as a single issue.

nodejs/node#18990 has multiple approvals and no rejections. It's also only been open for 22 hours. I don't think there's anything for the TSC to do there.

nodejs/node#18158 was on the agenda last week but we didn't really discuss it much. That PR is opposed by @TimothyGu, @jasnell, and @BridgeAR. It was put on the agenda by @mcollina so that there could be a vote and the thing either lands or gets closed.

I don't think there's much left to say as the discussion seems to have run its course in that issue. And we're unlikely to get @TimothyGu in here for the conversation unless we wait many weeks or choose to meet at a different time. (The conversation is better to have asynchronously in GitHub anyway, IMO. People who can't make a particular meeting time should not be excluded from an important part of the conversation.)

I'm inclined to start recording TSC votes, if no one else objects to that approach.

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I've removed tsc-agenda from both nodejs/node#18990 and nodejs/node#18158. nodejs/node#18990 is less contentious and it's probably going to land instead.

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Trott commented Feb 27, 2018

OK, that leaves #479 as the only non-recurring TSC agenda item this time (other than @mrhinkle telling us about Foundation stuff).

It seems to me that @rvagg put #479 on the agenda mostly for awareness and to expedite it. So far, it has no TSC approvals, although some have reviewed it.

Personal opinion only but my short list of people I'd like to see give it a 👍 so it can land is probably any three of @mhdawson @jasnell @MylesBorins and @ofrobots.

Not sure there's much to discuss at the meeting other than saying "Hey, we need to land this or modify it or reject it sooner rather than later, so please go review it."

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Trott commented Feb 27, 2018

Personal opinion only but my short list of people I'd like to see give it a 👍 so it can land is probably any three of @mhdawson @jasnell @MylesBorins and @ofrobots.

Oh, @danbev is probably a good choice too, if they have time to do it.

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Trott commented Feb 27, 2018

So far, it has no TSC approvals, although some have reviewed it.

And @mcollina approved it just now! 🎉

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Trott commented Feb 27, 2018

Added nodejs/node#15346 to the agenda. Here's my relevant comment from that PR copy/pasted:

I'm adding tsc-agenda to this so we can talk about it at our meeting this week.

The TSC has approved runtime-deprecating Buffer constructor in 10.0.0 😱 but also 🤘 but also 😱...

That's not necessarily an approval of this specific implementation. People still need to review and approve this specifically. But there is no need for this to be held up due to concerns about whether or not we want to implement a runtime deprecation. We do, at least for now. (We can always revert if it lands on master, goes out in a nightly or release candidate, and wreaks havoc.)

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Trott commented Feb 27, 2018

(In case I'm not at the meeting: We need to talk about how to land it as soon as we can and get the word out as effectively as we can. Also, if there's things we need to do to help prepare the ecosystem, let's talk about what those things are.)

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Link for the meeting, will send password separately: https://zoom.us/j/349243116

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Updated invite list, was out of office last week and have not yet updated template. Should be able to do that before next week.

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Prosed Agenda for my part (about 10 minutes)

How can I help you?

  • Travel funding
  • Other resources like training conflict resolution training, Mediation team and beyond
  • What community facilitation would you like to see from Node.js Foundation as we staff these resources.
  • IRC cloud group license
  • Update on the board subcommittee

How our legal committee works

  • Foundation Legal Counsel - Andy Updegrove
  • Board Legal Committee

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danbev commented Feb 28, 2018

I'm going to have to skip tonights meeting....got a bad cold and need to sleep.

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fhinkel commented Feb 28, 2018

Same here 🤧 🤧

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I hope y’all feel better!

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ChALkeR commented Feb 28, 2018

I probably won't be able to participate today (as documented in the spreadsheet 😉), need to get up early tomorrow…

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jasnell commented Feb 28, 2018

The emailed out password does not appear to be working for me

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Worked for me and some others?

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I see james is in now

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Link for those who want to watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2aZin_5tiY

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I can't find the link to join.

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targos commented Feb 28, 2018

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Trott commented Feb 28, 2018

Moderation Team update for this week: Indefinitely blocked one user, see moderation repo issue 177 for details. Other than that, no activity.

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Trott commented Feb 28, 2018

@nodejs/community-committee Pinging for the Moderation Team update above. Rather than having someone else make the same report to CommComm, I thought maybe I'd just @-mention CommComm here.

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PR for minutes: #499

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