Add more print statements

[TobiasWrigstad]

We all know that the current print statement was added to facilitate "simple output and printline debugging". The current print story is this

print <integer>
print <string> 

Which means that if I want to print something like "Incorrect value: -123", I have to do it like so:

print "Incorrect value"
print -123

In the concurrent or parallel setting, this is fundamentally broken since multiple print statements can be interleaved. Thus, I propose adding at least two more print statements:

print <string>, <integer>
print <string>, <integer>, <string>, <integer>

They can of course be named something else for simplicity. Like print2 or print_str_int etc.

Naturally something better would be … well … better, but I guess then people will start saying it is too convenient. In any case, something better is needed.

[supercooldave]

Maybe we need to add a module into the system called Convenient,
and all functionality in this is added purely for convenience only,
with the understanding that it will be replaced one day be something
better designed (and hopefully more convenient).

(We don’t have modules.)

On 20 Jul 2014, at 13:26, TobiasWrigstad notifications@github.com wrote:

We all know that the current print statement was added to facilitate "simple output and printline debugging". The current print story is this

print
print
Which means that if I want to print something like "Incorrect value: -123", I have to do it like so:

print "Incorrect value"
print -123
In the concurrent or parallel setting, this is fundamentally broken since multiple print statements can be interleaved. Thus, I propose adding at least two more print statements:

print ,
print , , ,
They can of course be named something else for simplicity. Like print2 or print_str_int etc.

Naturally something better would be … well … better, but I guess then people will start saying it is too convenient. In any case, something better is needed.

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[TobiasWrigstad]

For the ultimate Heller experience, the Convenience module should also enable a module system!

I like the idea.
Perl has something called "use strict".
We could implement your idea as "enter easy mode".

[EliasC]

How about printf? Which could translate into... printf?

[TobiasWrigstad]

How about printf? Which could translate into... printf?

Yes! (Det vore en dröm och ett sken!)

[kaeluka]

One alternative would be to implement tuples. This would not let you format your output however you wish, but you could do:

print ("value=", 2)

The benefit would be that we'd have.. tuples!

[supercooldave]

Here here. Tuples are one thing we need, to be a proper language of modern times.

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On 21/07/2014, at 11:23, Stephan Brandauer notifications@github.com wrote:

One alternative would be to implement tuples. This would not let you format your output however you wish, but you could do:

print ("value=", 2)

The benefit would be that we'd have.. tuples!

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[kaeluka]

<3

[EliasC]

There is a printf-statement as of 7518edd. Syntax is printf "x = {}, y = {}", x, y.

[supercooldave]

Very rustique!

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On 31/07/2014, at 15:00, EliasC notifications@github.com wrote:

There is a printf-statement as of 7518edd. Syntax is printf "x = {}, y = {}", x, y.

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