diff --git a/src/controls/IWidget.ts b/src/controls/IWidget.ts
index 2ddabbcbd..5bc8adac0 100644
--- a/src/controls/IWidget.ts
+++ b/src/controls/IWidget.ts
@@ -31,4 +31,5 @@ export type ReqInput<X> = X & {
     i18n?: { [key: string]: string }
     className?: string
     startCollapsed?: boolean
+    showID?: boolean
 }
diff --git a/src/controls/Widget.ts b/src/controls/Widget.ts
index 474c8122a..32977df0a 100644
--- a/src/controls/Widget.ts
+++ b/src/controls/Widget.ts
@@ -790,7 +790,7 @@ export class Widget_imageOpt implements IRequest<'imageOpt', Widget_imageOpt_opt
 
 // 🅿️ selectOne ==============================================================================
 export type BaseSelectOneEntry = { id: string, label?: string }
-export type Widget_selectOne_opts <T extends BaseSelectOneEntry>  = ReqInput<{ default?: T; choices: T[] | ((formRoot:Widget_group<any>) => T[]) }>
+export type Widget_selectOne_opts <T extends BaseSelectOneEntry>  = ReqInput<{ default?: T; choices: T[] | ((formRoot:Maybe<Widget_group<any>>) => T[]) }>
 export type Widget_selectOne_serial<T extends BaseSelectOneEntry> = Widget_selectOne_state<T>
 export type Widget_selectOne_state <T extends BaseSelectOneEntry>  = StateFields<{ type:'selectOne', query: string; val: T }>
 export type Widget_selectOne_output<T extends BaseSelectOneEntry> = T
@@ -932,7 +932,7 @@ export class Widget_selectManyOrCustom implements IRequest<'selectManyOrCustom',
 
 // 🅿️ list ==============================================================================
 export type Widget_list_opts<T extends Widget>  = ReqInput<{
-    element: () => T,
+    element: (ix:number) => T,
     min?: number,
     max?:number,
     defaultLength?:number
@@ -948,6 +948,7 @@ export class Widget_list<T extends Widget> implements IRequest<'list', Widget_li
     state: Widget_list_state<T>
     private _reference: T
 
+    get items(): T[] { return this.state.items }
     constructor(
         public builder: FormBuilder,
         public schema: SchemaL,
@@ -955,7 +956,7 @@ export class Widget_list<T extends Widget> implements IRequest<'list', Widget_li
         serial?: Widget_list_serial<T>,
     ) {
         this.id = serial?.id ?? nanoid()
-        this._reference = input.element()
+        this._reference = input.element(0)
         if (serial) {
             const items = serial.items_.map((sub_) => builder._HYDRATE(sub_.type, this._reference.input, sub_)) // 🔴 handler filter if wrong type
             this.state = { type: 'list', id: this.id, active: serial.active, items }
@@ -963,7 +964,7 @@ export class Widget_list<T extends Widget> implements IRequest<'list', Widget_li
             const clamp = (v: number, min: number, max: number) => Math.min(Math.max(v, min), max)
             const defaultLen = clamp(input.defaultLength ?? 0, input.min ?? 0, input.max ?? 10)
             const items = defaultLen
-                ? new Array(defaultLen).fill(0).map(() => input.element())
+                ? new Array(defaultLen).fill(0).map((_,ix) => input.element(ix))
                 : []
             this.state = {
                 type: 'list',
@@ -994,7 +995,7 @@ export class Widget_list<T extends Widget> implements IRequest<'list', Widget_li
     addItem() {
         // const _ref = this._reference
         // const newItem = this.builder.HYDRATE(_ref.type, _ref.input)
-        this.state.items.push(this.input.element())
+        this.state.items.push(this.input.element(this.state.items.length))
     }
 }
 
@@ -1138,6 +1139,10 @@ export class Widget_group<T extends { [key: string]: Widget }> implements IReque
     id: string
     type: 'group' = 'group'
     state: Widget_group_state<T>
+    /** all [key,value] pairs */
+    get entries() { return Object.entries(this.state.values) as [keyof T, T[keyof T]][] }
+    /** the dict of all child widgets */
+    get values() { return this.state.values }
     constructor(
         public builder: FormBuilder,
         public schema: SchemaL,
@@ -1199,6 +1204,10 @@ export class Widget_groupOpt<T extends { [key: string]: Widget }> implements IRe
     id: string
     type: 'groupOpt' = 'groupOpt'
     state: Widget_groupOpt_state<T>
+    /** all [key,value] pairs */
+    get entries() { return Object.entries(this.state.values) as [keyof T, T[keyof T]][] }
+    /** the dict of all child widgets */
+    get values() { return this.state.values }
     constructor(
         public builder: FormBuilder,
         public schema: SchemaL,
@@ -1285,6 +1294,11 @@ export class Widget_choice      <T extends { [key: string]: Widget }> implements
         }
         makeAutoObservable(this)
     }
+
+    get pick() { return this.state.pick }
+    get child(){
+        return this.state.values[this.state.pick]
+    }
     get serial(): Widget_choice_serial<T> {
         const out: { [key: string]: any } = {}
         for (const key in this.state.values) out[key] = this.state.values[key].serial
diff --git a/src/controls/widgets/WidgetListUI.tsx b/src/controls/widgets/WidgetListUI.tsx
index 8a6d398b3..ce3a3e645 100644
--- a/src/controls/widgets/WidgetListUI.tsx
+++ b/src/controls/widgets/WidgetListUI.tsx
@@ -30,15 +30,15 @@ export const WidgetListUI = observer(function WidgetListUI_<T extends Widget>(p:
                                 </SortableKnob>
                                 <ListItemCollapseBtnUI req={v} />
                                 <WidgetUI widget={v} />
-                                <Button
-                                    appearance='subtle'
-                                    disabled={min ? req.state.items.length <= min : undefined}
-                                    tw='self-start'
+                                <div
+                                    tw={[
+                                        min && req.state.items.length <= min ? 'btn-disabled' : null,
+                                        'btn btn-square btn-subtle btn-sm self-start',
+                                    ]}
                                     onClick={() => req.removeItem(v)}
-                                    size='sm'
                                 >
                                     X
-                                </Button>
+                                </div>
                             </div>
                         </SortableItem>
                     ))}
@@ -52,7 +52,7 @@ const ListDragHandleUI = forwardRef<HTMLDivElement, { ix: number }>((props, ref)
     return (
         <div ref={ref}>
             <RevealUI cursor='cursor-move'>
-                <div tw='btn btn-sm btn-ghost opacity-50'>
+                <div tw='btn btn-sm btn-ghost opacity-50 btn-square'>
                     <span className='material-symbols-outlined'>menu</span>
                 </div>
                 <div>{props.ix}</div>
@@ -67,7 +67,7 @@ export const ListItemCollapseBtnUI = observer(function ListItemCollapseBtnUI_(p:
     if (!isCollapsible) return null
     return (
         <div
-            tw='btn btn-ghost btn-sm'
+            tw='btn btn-ghost btn-square btn-sm'
             // style={{ width: `${indexWidth}rem` }}
             onClick={() => (v.state.collapsed = !Boolean(v.state.collapsed))}
         >