remove the old data entry screen

[dustymc]

Describe the bug

#4175 is still in process

To Reproduce

Do something with wkt_media_id in the old data entry screen

Expected behavior

Something

What Happens

Nothing

Additional context

WKT and the handling thereof via Media will be gone from next release. I'll leave the field in the bulkloader and "old" screen until we're fully migrated to the new. The loader will ignore wkt_media_id beginning next release.

** ToDo **

Remove the field from everything once there's no longer a UI depending on it.

[dustymc]

Unless there's some compelling reason not to, I'll finalize removing the old data entry screen sometime after 2022-07-03.

• remove wkt_media_id from data entry and bulkloader
• clean up templates (and everything without enteredby)
• revisit structure/requirements

[Jegelewicz]

@lin-fred @ewommack can we make a few announcements about this?

[ewommack]

Sorry just coming back online and going through my emails. I was still able to get to the old data entry screen, so we still have it live for now?

[dustymc]

I'm waiting for an announcement, this isn't urgent to me (that could quickly change), but it may be to someone who's invested a lot of work into something the old screen won't finalize.

Also semi-merging #4801 here - collection_id should be removed from the bulkloader, that will likely be entirely fatal to the old screen.

$fields don't play nice, rename them

[DerekSikes]

Is everyone happy with the new screen? For me, it's far less user friendly. The customizability of it makes it worse, not better. Too many options, techs can change things, harder to learn to use, easier to forget things,.... and the screen real-estate is far worse! Can you get the new screen to fit in the same pixel dimensions of the old screen? I wish we could simply take the old screen and upgrade its fields etc so it functions like the new but retains the look & arrangement of the old.

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-Derek

On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 8:52 AM dustymc ***@***.***> wrote: I'm waiting for an announcement, this isn't urgent to me (that could quickly change), but it may be to someone who's invested a lot of work into something the old screen won't finalize. Also semi-merging #4801 <#4801> here - collection_id should be removed from the bulkloader, that will likely be entirely fatal to the old screen. — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#4257 (comment)>, or unsubscribe <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ACFNUM7YQLYMWHBKRZ5NH4LVWK3DLANCNFSM5L4Q2R6Q> . You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.Message ID: ***@***.***>

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[AJLinn]

Is everyone happy with the new screen? For me, it's far less user friendly.

I was very used to the old one, ignoring what was not relevant.
My staff person who has the visually-induced migraines hates the new one.
My other staff person loves the new one, especially the ability to customize the layout and save templates.

is there any functional reason why we can't allow folks to continue to use the old one if they like it, while allowing those who like the new one to use it?

[dustymc]

functional reason why we can't allow folks to continue

Yes, the old screen is technically dodgy, see #3691 and #2974 and probably others.

retains the look

Not quite sure what this means, but #4874 maybe

& arrangement

You can put anything anywhere. However you had the old set up, you should be able to get very close to that in the new.

fit in the same pixel dimensions

You can put stuff wherever you want, and you have much better control of what's visible. You determine the footprint, it should be completely trivial to make it much smaller than the old.

techs can change things,

I don't understand the problem in that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJeLNCn62dE

[sharpphyl]

We like the new format: the ability to customize each section on the fly, save profiles (and incomplete entries). The old format was visually easier to follow, but perhaps the appearance could be enhanced without impacting the functionality.

[ewommack]

& arrangement

You can put anything anywhere. However you had the old set up, you should be able to get very close to that in the new.

fit in the same pixel dimensions

You can put stuff wherever you want, and you have much better control of what's visible. You determine the footprint, it should be completely trivial to make it much smaller than the old.

Maybe it would help if we created a profile that everyone could access that was as close to the format of the old screen as we could get? And maybe color that one green?

[campmlc]

With the Pull function restored in other IDs

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On Mon, Aug 1, 2022, 1:28 PM Elizabeth Wommack ***@***.***> wrote: * [EXTERNAL]* & arrangement You can put anything anywhere. However you had the old set up, you should be able to get very close to that in the new. fit in the same pixel dimensions You can put stuff wherever you want, and you have much better control of what's visible. You determine the footprint, it should be completely trivial to make it much smaller than the old. Maybe it would help if we created a profile that everyone could access that was as close to the format of the old screen as we could get? And maybe color that one green? — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#4257 (comment)>, or unsubscribe <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ADQ7JBGGA3NKLMT22KN2M2LVXAQMXANCNFSM5L4Q2R6Q> . You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.Message ID: ***@***.***>

[dustymc]

old format was visually easier to follow

Elaborate please.

profile that everyone could access that was as close to the format of the old screen

color

#4874

Pull function restored

It is and has always been there.

[ewommack]

Elaborate please.

If we created a profile for the new data entry screen and labeled it "Historic Arctos Data Entry - all collections" or something would it be something that would help @AJLinn's students and others who prefer the old screen?

And I did just read through #4874 - you're so on top of things @dustymc !

[campmlc]

Apparently the pull function is only missing from the new screen in Browse and Edit? But it is present in the Old Edit screen?

vs

[DerekSikes]

Dusty, Please prove that the new screen can fit in the pixel dimensions of the old screen by showing us screen shots. I can't do it . And the screen that I set for my team looks different on different computers - with important links at the top being obscured on my grad students computer but not mine using the same saved entry form that I made.

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-Derek

On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 5:21 AM dustymc ***@***.***> wrote: functional reason why we can't allow folks to continue Yes, the old screen is technically dodgy, see #3691 <#3691> and #2974 <#2974> and probably others. retains the look Not quite sure what this means, but #4874 <#4874> maybe & arrangement You can put anything anywhere. However you had the old set up, you should be able to get very close to that in the new. fit in the same pixel dimensions You can put stuff wherever you want, and you have much better control of what's visible. You determine the footprint, it should be completely trivial to make it much smaller than the old. techs can change things, I don't understand the problem in that? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJeLNCn62dE — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#4257 (comment)>, or unsubscribe <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ACFNUMYP65CMH77FPQWBNMLVW7FMLANCNFSM5L4Q2R6Q> . You are receiving this because you commented.Message ID: ***@***.***>

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[dustymc]

Yes, the layout is by pixels, different environments have different capabilities, probably-slight adjustments are to be expected.

Yes, there are no limitations on where elements may be placed - cover whatever you want (elements will pop to the front when you click on them), leave seldom-used things outside the normal viewpoint, WHATEVER. That's the point, you can set it up however you want, you don't need to be limited by how I think you should be working.

Here are the two screens on my machine at the moment, but that probably has little to do with what you need to see or your screen layout. There are more screenshots in #3691.

[DerekSikes]

Ok, with some fiddling I got the new form to fit horizontally but not vertically (900 pixels). Even the old form doesn't fit in 900 pixels vertical but at least the parts section is mostly visible whereas on the new form the parts section is off screen. Is there a way to reduce the size of the attributes panel to show only 3 or 4 rows? That would help. And why is the Collection Object Remark field so large? If that were also reduced to 1 visible line it would help. [image: Screen Shot 2022-08-03 at 9.10.31 AM Aug 3, 22.jpg]

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On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 8:59 AM Derek Sikes ***@***.***> wrote: [image: Screen Shot 2022-08-03 at 8.53.00 AM Aug 3, 22.jpg] [image: Screen Shot 2022-08-03 at 8.52.55 AM Aug 3, 22.jpg] My laptop screen is 1440 pixels wide. I can fit the entire old data entry form on my screen but only about 2/3rds of the new screen. Note that in the 2nd screenshot what is not visible is much of the locality/event panel and all of the parts panel. I don't know how you can do it, but I can't. Maybe I have to fiddle with it more but I'm not optimistic. Derek On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 7:29 AM dustymc ***@***.***> wrote: > Yes, the layout is by pixels, different environments have different > capabilities, probably-slight adjustments are to be expected. > > Yes, there are no limitations on where elements may be placed - cover > whatever you want (elements will pop to the front when you click on them), > leave seldom-used things outside the normal viewpoint, WHATEVER. That's the > point, you can set it up however you want, you don't need to be limited by > how I think you should be working. > > Here are the two screens on my machine at the moment, but that probably > has little to do with what you need to see or your screen layout. There are > more screenshots in #3691 > <#3691>. > > [image: Screen Shot 2022-08-03 at 8 15 26 AM] > <https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/5720791/182645841-f6568239-cdee-4a5e-adcc-88e49e5b2b03.png> > > [image: Screen Shot 2022-08-03 at 8 15 12 AM] > <https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/5720791/182645807-729bb8f4-831e-4ebb-a86e-29b2798afe0d.png> > > — > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > <#4257 (comment)>, > or unsubscribe > <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ACFNUMZ3ET232OHBWFJ6HYDVXKF7LANCNFSM5L4Q2R6Q> > . > You are receiving this because you commented.Message ID: > ***@***.***> > -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ *Derek S. Sikes*, Curator of Insects, Professor of Entomology University of Alaska Museum (UAM), University of Alaska Fairbanks 1962 Yukon Drive, Fairbanks, AK 99775-6960 ***@***.*** phone: 907-474-6278 he/him/his University of Alaska Museum <https://www.uaf.edu/museum/collections/ento/> - search 357,704 digitized arthropod records <http://arctos.database.museum/uam_ento> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Interested in Alaskan Entomology? Join the Alaska Entomological Society and / or sign up for the email listserv "Alaska Entomological Network" at http://www.akentsoc.org/contact_us

-- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ *Derek S. Sikes*, Curator of Insects, Professor of Entomology University of Alaska Museum (UAM), University of Alaska Fairbanks 1962 Yukon Drive, Fairbanks, AK 99775-6960 ***@***.*** phone: 907-474-6278 he/him/his University of Alaska Museum <https://www.uaf.edu/museum/collections/ento/> - search 357,704 digitized arthropod records <http://arctos.database.museum/uam_ento> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Interested in Alaskan Entomology? Join the Alaska Entomological Society and / or sign up for the email listserv "Alaska Entomological Network" at http://www.akentsoc.org/contact_us

[Jegelewicz]

a way to reduce the size of the attributes panel to show only 3 or 4 rows?

customize and only allow for 3 or 4 rows

why is the Collection Object Remark field so large?

Just use the little expander at the bottom right corner to make it smaller

[dustymc]

reduce the size of the attributes panel .. 3 or 4 rows

results in

you can also eg

for

if there's some column(s) that you don't use somewhere.

why is the Collection Object Remark

Someone asked for it to be (maybe @AJLinn) - you can grab a corner and shrink it

Dammit @Jegelewicz ....

[Jegelewicz]

Heh heh heh....but you added better visuals....

[DerekSikes]

Ok, thanks! It's better now. However, those draggable fields for things like collection object remarks don't save as set in a saved profile. They return to their original size when a saved profile form is loaded. Anyway to make them save at one's preferred size? resetting them at every loading of a new data entry screen isn't a good solution.

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-D

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[DerekSikes]

Also, the old screen gave feedback on how many records one had made & saved into the bulkloader. The new form lacks this. Can this be returned? My people now have to click back and forth to the bulkloader Browse & edit form to keep track of the # of records they've made.

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-Derek

On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 9:31 AM Derek Sikes ***@***.***> wrote: Ok, thanks! It's better now. However, those draggable fields for things like collection object remarks don't save as set in a saved profile. They return to their original size when a saved profile form is loaded. Anyway to make them save at one's preferred size? resetting them at every loading of a new data entry screen isn't a good solution. -D On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 9:23 AM Teresa Mayfield-Meyer < ***@***.***> wrote: > Heh heh heh....but you added better visuals.... > > — > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > <#4257 (comment)>, > or unsubscribe > <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ACFNUM6LTQ4D7ZYO4QG7SITVXKTHXANCNFSM5L4Q2R6Q> > . > You are receiving this because you commented.Message ID: > ***@***.***> > -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ *Derek S. Sikes*, Curator of Insects, Professor of Entomology University of Alaska Museum (UAM), University of Alaska Fairbanks 1962 Yukon Drive, Fairbanks, AK 99775-6960 ***@***.*** phone: 907-474-6278 he/him/his University of Alaska Museum <https://www.uaf.edu/museum/collections/ento/> - search 357,704 digitized arthropod records <http://arctos.database.museum/uam_ento> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Interested in Alaskan Entomology? Join the Alaska Entomological Society and / or sign up for the email listserv "Alaska Entomological Network" at http://www.akentsoc.org/contact_us

-- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ *Derek S. Sikes*, Curator of Insects, Professor of Entomology University of Alaska Museum (UAM), University of Alaska Fairbanks 1962 Yukon Drive, Fairbanks, AK 99775-6960 ***@***.*** phone: 907-474-6278 he/him/his University of Alaska Museum <https://www.uaf.edu/museum/collections/ento/> - search 357,704 digitized arthropod records <http://arctos.database.museum/uam_ento> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Interested in Alaskan Entomology? Join the Alaska Entomological Society and / or sign up for the email listserv "Alaska Entomological Network" at http://www.akentsoc.org/contact_us

[AJLinn]

Someone asked for it to be (maybe @AJLinn) - you can grab a corner and shrink it

yes, I asked for that. Prior to the change it was only one very small non-expanding line and we regularly add a lot of info to that field when cataloging. I agree with Derek it would be useful if those expandable fields could be saved at an expanded or un-expanded size per user (e.g. our attribute description field gets a ton of info and we always have to manually expand it each time we catalog an item).

[DerekSikes]

[image: Screen Shot 2022-08-03 at 8.53.00 AM Aug 3, 22.jpg] [image: Screen Shot 2022-08-03 at 8.52.55 AM Aug 3, 22.jpg] My laptop screen is 1440 pixels wide. I can fit the entire old data entry form on my screen but only about 2/3rds of the new screen. Note that in the 2nd screenshot what is not visible is much of the locality/event panel and all of the parts panel. I don't know how you can do it, but I can't. Maybe I have to fiddle with it more but I'm not optimistic. Derek

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On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 7:29 AM dustymc ***@***.***> wrote: Yes, the layout is by pixels, different environments have different capabilities, probably-slight adjustments are to be expected. Yes, there are no limitations on where elements may be placed - cover whatever you want (elements will pop to the front when you click on them), leave seldom-used things outside the normal viewpoint, WHATEVER. That's the point, you can set it up however you want, you don't need to be limited by how I think you should be working. Here are the two screens on my machine at the moment, but that probably has little to do with what you need to see or your screen layout. There are more screenshots in #3691 <#3691> . [image: Screen Shot 2022-08-03 at 8 15 26 AM] <https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/5720791/182645841-f6568239-cdee-4a5e-adcc-88e49e5b2b03.png> [image: Screen Shot 2022-08-03 at 8 15 12 AM] <https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/5720791/182645807-729bb8f4-831e-4ebb-a86e-29b2798afe0d.png> — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#4257 (comment)>, or unsubscribe <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ACFNUMZ3ET232OHBWFJ6HYDVXKF7LANCNFSM5L4Q2R6Q> . You are receiving this because you commented.Message ID: ***@***.***>

-- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ *Derek S. Sikes*, Curator of Insects, Professor of Entomology University of Alaska Museum (UAM), University of Alaska Fairbanks 1962 Yukon Drive, Fairbanks, AK 99775-6960 ***@***.*** phone: 907-474-6278 he/him/his University of Alaska Museum <https://www.uaf.edu/museum/collections/ento/> - search 357,704 digitized arthropod records <http://arctos.database.museum/uam_ento> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Interested in Alaskan Entomology? Join the Alaska Entomological Society and / or sign up for the email listserv "Alaska Entomological Network" at http://www.akentsoc.org/contact_us

[dustymc]

merge-->#5193

We can't seem to preemptively kill this thing, it can die an evolutionary death.

[ewommack]

it can die an evolutionary death

So eventually it gets so clunky and poor at its job everyone switches over?