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Bug Feat request : MOM6 temperature interpolation #773

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hkershaw-brown opened this issue Nov 8, 2024 · 5 comments · May be fixed by #782
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Bug Feat request : MOM6 temperature interpolation #773

hkershaw-brown opened this issue Nov 8, 2024 · 5 comments · May be fixed by #782
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Bug Something isn't working mom6 Modular Ocean Model pot temp potential vs sensible temperature in model_interpolate

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Use case

The MOM6 model_mod was made super naively (by yours truly).
Currently it only interpolates a QTY if the QTY is in the state vector.
This is not sufficient for observations.

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Screenshot 2024-11-08 at 4 13 59 PM

This is world obs, with MOM6 only for the North Atlantic, so load of fails. But all temperature obs fail.
Side note: I need to trim the obs by region for CROCODILE.
The temp obs are all fails (because not QTY_TEMPERATURE)
Screenshot 2024-11-08 at 4 21 13 PM

There are some salinity fails, not sure if this is bugs or run-of-the-mill fails?
Screenshot 2024-11-08 at 4 21 22 PM

Required interpolations

Required interpolation QTY - note not exhaustive, this is just looking at what is in POP. There may be way more. Also I don't know the difference between the various temperatures, so watch out.

  • QTY_TEMPERATURE
  • QTY_SEA_SURFACE_ANOMALY - maybe this can be direct from ave_ssh?
      double ave_ssh(Time, lath, lonh) ;
               ave_ssh:long_name = "Time average sea surface height" ;
               ave_ssh:units = "meter" ;
               ave_ssh:checksum = "17D219172997BA46" ;
  • QTY_SEA_SURFACE_PRESSURE (units? POP v MOM6)

Is your feature request related to a problem?

Failing temperature forward operators.

Describe your preferred solution

step one: learn how temperature works in models.

step two(?):
In MOM6 We don't have depth, we have layer thickness so I'm not sure if I can just rip out the POP calculations and use in both MOM6 and POP (even assuming the units conversion is not a problem).

MITgcm_ocean has PTMP as QTY_TEMPERATURE
'PTMP', 'QTY_TEMPERATURE',

TVarID = define_variable(ncid,"PTMP", nf90_real, all_dimids, MITgcm_3D_FIELD)
call add_attributes_to_variable(ncid, TVarID, "Potential Temperature", "C", "degrees celsius")

Describe any alternatives you have considered

Why doesn't obs_def_mod take care of the mapping between observation and qty for things like:
potential temp, salinity, local pressure -> sensible temp? Is this a unit disaster (salinity, pressure, etc) waiting to happen when you swap ocean models?

@hkershaw-brown hkershaw-brown changed the title Bug Feat request : MOM6 Bug Feat request : MOM6 temperature interpolation Nov 8, 2024
@hkershaw-brown hkershaw-brown added the Bug Something isn't working label Nov 8, 2024
@hkershaw-brown hkershaw-brown added the pot temp potential vs sensible temperature in model_interpolate label Nov 13, 2024
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amrhein commented Dec 3, 2024

The differences between in situ and potential temperature should be pretty small in a lot of the ocean, especially in the upper ocean where most of our obs are, see e.g. the profile in figure 1 here. Can you plot the model-data misfit to make sure it's not a K vs C issue?

That said I think we'll still want to do the calculation to potential temp (maybe MITgcm folks figured it didn't matter for their obs?). I think we do have depth in MOM6 (we need this for the FOs anyway, right?) so maybe it's a matter of checking that we're using the right var and then testing out the POP code as a first step.

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Following POP conversion method for QTY_POTENTIAL_TEMPERATURE to QTY_TEMPERATURE:

depth to pressure
potential temperature to sensible (in situ) temperature

hkershaw-brown added a commit that referenced this issue Dec 9, 2024
fixes #773
untested, also need to check with fortran standard has elemental.
@hkershaw-brown hkershaw-brown moved this to In Progress in DART-CESM Dec 10, 2024
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just for kicks here is thickness (h) summed up to get depth
Screenshot 2024-12-10 at 9 51 15 AM

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May move this to a separate issue(s)

  1. Surface obs - do these need to be treated differently? Probably, e.g. skip the vertical. Maybe also conversion needed?
  2. Ocean obs - are these only in VERTISHIEIGHT/VERTISURFACE? Assuming this at the moment, should force in model_interpolate (like POP) to avoid nonsense calculations, e.g. pressures getting treated as depth.

hkershaw-brown added a commit that referenced this issue Dec 11, 2024
fixes #773
Converts potential_temp (model) to in-situ temp (obs)
Following method in POP model_mod: #773 (comment)
Uses element function -  need to check with fortran standard has elemental.
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elemental functions are f95 so no problem standard wise (a612e81)

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