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feature: musl-libc | ||
start-date: 2018-02-19 | ||
author: Will Dietz (@dtzWill) | ||
co-authors: Shea Levy (@shlevy) | ||
related-issues: 34645, 6221, ... | ||
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# Summary | ||
[summary]: #summary | ||
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When targeting Linux platforms, Nixpkgs builds software against | ||
the defacto standard of Linux libc implementations: | ||
[glibc](https://www.gnu.org/software/libc/). | ||
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This RFC proposes adding **experimental** support in Nixpkgs for the use | ||
of an alternative libc implementation, [musl](https://www.musl-libc.org/), | ||
for the reasons outlined below. | ||
Adding this support is similar to introducing support for an architecture, | ||
and realistically will be limited in compatibility and features | ||
compared to non-musl siblings such as `x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu`. | ||
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Initial support is already available in nixpkgs master, capable | ||
of building up through important packages such as nixUnstable itself | ||
and LLVM. This is not to be taken as an endorsement: discussing | ||
and ultimately deciding whether support for musl should be part of nixpkgs | ||
is the subject of this RFC. That said, this initial support is | ||
a reasonable foundation for evaluating technical details discussed below, | ||
and a convenient way for interested parties to explore the work so far. | ||
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To help ensure we're all on the same page, unless otherwise specified | ||
assume references to musl support implementation are in reference | ||
to this commit (latest master at time of writing): | ||
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[bd7d5b365799a145717d31122ebfd24b51fea117](https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/commit/bd7d5b365799a145717d31122ebfd24b51fea117) | ||
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# Motivation | ||
[motivation]: #motivation | ||
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## Why Musl? | ||
There are many reasons to prefer the use of musl. | ||
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musl is advertised as being: | ||
* lightweight | ||
* fast | ||
* simple | ||
* free | ||
* correctness: standards-conforming | ||
* correctness: safety | ||
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Additionally it is very popular when statically linking software, | ||
creating binaries capable of executing most anywhere. | ||
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In fact it is for this reason that Nixpkgs itself builds | ||
the bootstrap busybox using musl. | ||
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A somewhat outdated overview comparing musl against other | ||
implementations is available [here](http://www.etalabs.net/compare_libcs.html). | ||
Note this comparison is maintained by the (primary) author of musl, | ||
(as indicated at the top of the page). | ||
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I'm unable to find good numbers but musl is "arguably" the second | ||
most popular libc implementation on Linux, and is used | ||
by a number of important projects you may be familiar with | ||
large userbases, including: | ||
* Alpine Linux - [#70 on Distrowatch](https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=alpine) but very popular amongst docker users for producing slim container images. | ||
* [OpenWRT/LEDE](https://openwrt.org/) - #1 open-source Linux router firmware project; foundation of most other projects targetting routers. | ||
More projects and details of how they use musl can be found here: | ||
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https://wiki.musl-libc.org/projects-using-musl.html | ||
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## Why Nixpkgs? | ||
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The importance of musl is not the primary point of contention in this RFC, | ||
instead perhaps the main question is whether such support belongs in Nixpkgs or not. | ||
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The main arguments for inclusion are: | ||
* **convenience of use** | ||
* **foundation for exciting future work**: musl is widely used by high-level languages | ||
as the libc implementation used to produce statically linked programs: | ||
these are easy to deploy, launch quickly, and only include the code required. | ||
(NOTE: currently musl support prefers dynamic linking and shared libraries | ||
as is the strong preference in Nixpkgs) | ||
* Software sometimes must be patched to compile or run with musl; in @dtzWill's experience, | ||
these changes are largely fixes improving compliance and correctness resulting in | ||
higher-quality programs. Recent versions of glibc have started taking stronger stances | ||
on enforcing compliance (look at patch fallout folllowing any glibc upgrade in last year or so) | ||
resulting in overlapping work from both sides. | ||
(NOTE: use of glibc extensions or reliance on non-standard behavior is still common and unlikely to go away soon) | ||
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And to a large extent: | ||
"Why not?" -- similar to including support for architectures such as Aarch64 or RISC-V, | ||
and just like support for those architectures it's relatively clear that pushing them | ||
into private forks would be detrimental to the nixpkgs project as well as all users | ||
interested in using Nixpkgs on those platforms/architectures. | ||
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musl is clearly useful for a variety of important use cases, | ||
however including support has a few costs (see Drawbacks, below): | ||
do folks believe the costs are too high? | ||
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## Additional Resources | ||
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* [musl FAQ](https://www.musl-libc.org/faq.html) | ||
* [projects using musl](https://wiki.musl-libc.org/projects-using-musl.html) | ||
* [Slides from a talk discussing various libcs, 2014](http://events17.linuxfoundation.org/sites/events/files/slides/libc-talk.pdf) | ||
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## Related Isssues | ||
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* [big musl PR](https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/34645) | ||
* [issues matching "musl", newest first](https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/search?o=desc&q=musl&s=created&type=Issues&utf8=%E2%9C%93) | ||
* [2015 libc discussion](https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/6221#issuecomment-116754223) | ||
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# Detailed design | ||
[design]: #detailed-design | ||
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## Goals | ||
### Laying the Foundation | ||
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Implement the following in nixpkgs: | ||
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* [x] musl-based bootstrap | ||
* [x] stdenv for native musl building | ||
* [x] cross-musl stdenv | ||
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These are already implemented and are currently tested | ||
to build and provide basic functionality as part | ||
of release-cross.nix. | ||
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These features would be very difficult to implement | ||
or maintain externally, and near impossible as an overlay. | ||
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## Package Compatibility | ||
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For a variety of reasons many packages do not work out-of-the-box | ||
in musl-based environments. | ||
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### "Normalization" | ||
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Vast majority of the problems here are "minor" and are the | ||
sort of problem we regularly encounter and address when | ||
bumping to a new glibc version, new gcc version, or using | ||
a clang-based stdenv (such as on Darwin). | ||
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I'm calling these fixes "normalization". | ||
These are changes like "adding a missing include" or | ||
"don't assume compiler is invoked 'gcc'". | ||
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These changes usually can be safely applied on all platforms | ||
(although sometimes they are not for rebuild reasons) | ||
and are easy to check for correctness or at least "couldn't-possibly-hurt". | ||
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### Big Incompatibilities | ||
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Some packages are very much not portable and require significant | ||
and invasive changes to work with environments they don't expect. | ||
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In the context of this RFC's proposed musl support, | ||
there are a number of packages that are known to be in this category: | ||
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* systemd | ||
* ... | ||
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This RFC proposes ignoring those for the immediate future, | ||
to be revisited later, and focuses on systemd. | ||
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#### Systemd | ||
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Currently many packages depend on systemd. | ||
This dependency is indirect for all but a handful of packages, | ||
with a few key pieces of software integrating with systemd. | ||
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As far as I know this dependency is generally optional, | ||
and so we could easily avoid its use when using musl. | ||
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This makes it possible to build a great number of packages | ||
(thousands) but more complicated software "ecosystems" | ||
and "desktop environments" will not work without something | ||
to tie them together with the various roles played by systemd. | ||
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Addressing this in any way is not in the scope of this RFC. | ||
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Similarly, NixOS itself (especially services) require systemd | ||
and we do not propose altering this. | ||
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An early version of the "musl PR" patched systemd so that it | ||
would build successfully, using patches from OpenEmbedded.org. | ||
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The result was never tested or reviewed in terms of providing | ||
basic functionality or general suitability for Nixpkgs/NixOs. | ||
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(OE folks do great work, but they may expect rather different | ||
things from systemd or workaround introduced shortcomings elsewhere | ||
in various capacities) | ||
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## Scope | ||
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Primarily non-GUI packages for now, due to systemd blocker. | ||
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In the future these will be supported. | ||
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This RFC is primarily concerned with the groundwork for using musl at all. | ||
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## Testing and Maintenance | ||
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"Ideally" the answer would be an infinite number of builders would constantly | ||
build all the things on all the platforms. | ||
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Unfortunately this is unrealistic due to capacity constraints and other reasons. | ||
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### Responsibility | ||
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"musl team" is reponsible, initially consisting of | ||
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* @dtzWill | ||
* @shlevy | ||
* @domenkozar | ||
* @rasendubi | ||
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A team handle will be created to track this | ||
and to ping the team on musl-related discussion or issues. | ||
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### Infrastructure | ||
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Build at least stdenv with more being added in the future. | ||
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Jobs may be given lower priority/shares. | ||
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# Drawbacks | ||
[drawbacks]: #drawbacks | ||
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Why should we *not* do this? | ||
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Potential maintenance burden, particularly regarding collections of patches, | ||
seems to be the primary concern. | ||
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## Additional Costs | ||
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* Maintenance | ||
* Infrastructure (build pressure, storage, ...) | ||
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## Fractured Community | ||
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> Another issue: adding musl support fractures the Nixpkgs user/development community: some people will run musl-based packages and some will run glibc-based packages. As a result all of Nixpkgs/NixOS will end up being less tested. it doubles the test matrix on Linux, after all. | ||
## Previous Discussion of drawbacks and concerns | ||
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This RFC was prompted by concerns about the drawbacks: | ||
["I'm really not in favour of adding support to Nixpkgs"](https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/34645#issuecomment-366789321). | ||
This comment echoes very similar concerns expressed [back in 2015](https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/6221#issuecomment-116754223). | ||
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# Alternatives | ||
[alternatives]: #alternatives | ||
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* Maintain in a separate fork | ||
* [SLNOS project is willing to adopt](https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/34645#issuecomment-366845015) | ||
* Maintained as an overlay | ||
* No musl libc support. | ||
* Not really an "alternative" :). | ||
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# Unresolved questions | ||
[unresolved]: #unresolved-questions | ||
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What parts of the design are still TBD or unknowns? | ||
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## Support | ||
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We need to work on defining: | ||
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* What "Support" entails | ||
* Responsibility | ||
* Blame? | ||
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For now we leave it as an informal understanding | ||
which we can improve on in the future. | ||
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## Impact | ||
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### Infrastructure | ||
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* Hydra | ||
* ofborg | ||
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### Complexity | ||
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* evaluation complexity | ||
* cost of behind-the-scenes "magic" required | ||
* keeping expressions avoidable | ||
* cyclomatic complexity | ||
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## How to Remove? | ||
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Is there a good way to move forward | ||
without becoming impossibly intertwined? | ||
Such that a future party could | ||
* reduce nixpkgs to what it "would be" without musl support | ||
* Do so confidently without worrying about subtle | ||
breakages? | ||
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Maintaining entirely as an overlay (or fork?) | ||
is an obviously effective solution in this regard. | ||
Clear separation and enforced use of carefully crafted | ||
interfaces/abstractions may also help with this. | ||
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To some extent the importance of this depends | ||
on how likely the community expects to find itself | ||
"regretting" or wanting to be "rid" of musl support. | ||
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However the design and use of good abstractions | ||
is valuable in all cases :). | ||
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# Future work | ||
[future]: #future-work | ||
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### Fetch, Unpack, Patch | ||
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(TODO: Split to new RFC?) | ||
It may be possible to leverage proper use of "phases" so that | ||
we can provide reasonable coverage of the unpack and patch | ||
phases for all "supported" configurations. | ||
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As an example, this would make it possible for our x86_64 builders and users to | ||
get feedback ensuring that changes didn't break hashes or patch application | ||
elsewhere without requiring builders of each configuration. | ||
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The benefit of this would be in avoiding most of the burden of building everything | ||
while making it easy to catch the most common sort of problems | ||
so they can be addressed ("oops I didn't update the hash for darwin") | ||
or flagged for investigation. | ||
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I believe there's a branch or PR trying this somewhere. | ||
Regardless, out of scope for this RFC. |