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feature: meson_builds_nix
start-date: 2022-08-25
author: Anderson Torres
co-authors: @p01arst0rm
shepherd-team: @Ericson2314 @edolstra @thufschmitt
shepherd-leader: @Ericson2314
related-issues:
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# Summary
[summary]: #summary

Use meson as an alternative build system for Nix.
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# Motivation
[motivation]: #motivation

Currently, the Nix evaluator and its companion toolset generated from the Nix source tree are built using the typical `./configure` shell script that relies on autoconf, along with standard GNU Make utility.

Over time, this build system has been modified to keep up with the development needs of Nix project. However, it has reached a state where the build system became clunky and plastered, hard to understand and modify, consequently making improvements to the project as a whole very difficult.

In particular, many changes have been introduced that impact compatibility outside Linux and NixOS niches. These issues can hinder development on other platforms, including but not limited to Unix-like systems.
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Can you provide examples to changes that affect compatibility? Are there issues you can link?

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@asymmetric bunch of stuff; some of the issues were to do with hardcoded library dependencies that are set up differently on *BSD, the wrong versions of some headers were included on BSD (sometimes headers have names that differ). there were also issues with locating external components iirc.

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Right, but I was suggesting these issues could be mentioned in the RFC itself, possibly with references!

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thats a fair point, but more detailed info of these issues would require someone to attempt building nix on multiple different platforms, and take notes. not saying its a bad idea/shouldnt be done but it would take some time

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I agree with @asymmetric, this needs some concrete examples for the point to really stand

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NixOS/nix#6991 << example :)

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Yes, and that PR has a very illuminating comment from me:

The first commit is just #5145 and again #6015

Previous efforts that actually used a different tactic include:
#5185
#6005

Issues include:
#5140
#5184
#5781

This issue has been separately discovered by a variety of people building nix for use as a packager manager but not as an OS. Meson would solve the problem for free, as part of providing functionality that Make doesn't have and is apparently needed.


In light of this state of things, we propose a novel alternative to the current building infrastructure.

We expect to accomplish, among other goals,

- better code structuring and documentation;
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I can see why that could be so in the long run, but it's an indirect and non totally obvious consequence. It's probably worth explaining a bit more

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I believe @p01arst0rm can provide more tangible evidence for it.

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meson allows standardised methods of creating targets; dependencies, libraries, binary files, macros, etc. due to design these blocks are incredibly easy to understand in their design, and the implementation of each is standard no matter the project; each of these implementations is heavil documented, explain how and how not to format these targets. meson code is well known for being self documenting;- not in a "read the code and you'll understand it maybe", more like every single piece of standard meson code explains exactly what its doing and includes a short essay of exceptional documentation regarding its use. this style is so influential that competing build systems are already attempting to follow in mesons' footsteps. the only time things maaay get confusing are when you start creating non standard targets to do weird things (known as custom_targets). good meson code should have as little of these as possible.

tldr meson code easy to read and lots of docs means you're never looking at a meson build command confused about what it does.

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I trust you on that, but I'd rather see this written in the RFC than hidden in a comment thread ;)

- improved support across platforms, especially outside NixOS and Linux
- shorter build times;
- improved testing;
- more reasonable dependency management;
- an overall improved user experience.
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# Detailed design
[design]: #detailed-design

## What is Meson?

Meson is an open source, multiplatform build system crafted to be fast, correct and user-friendly.

According to its main site,

> The main design point of Meson is that every moment a developer spends writing or debugging build definitions is a second wasted. So is every second spent waiting for the build system to actually start compiling code.

Among its features, we highlight:

- user-friendly non-Turing complete DSL
- Python-esque syntax and functional, stateless semantics
- multiplatform support
- among operating systems: Linux, *BSD, Apple MacOS, Microsoft Windows NT
- among programming environments: GCC, Clang, Xcode, Visual Studio etc.
- among programming languages: C, C++, D, Fortran, Java, Rust etc.
- supports command customization
- cross compilation
- many useful modules included (pkg-config, filesystem inspection, internationalization etc.)
- out-of-source build support
- indeed, meson does not support inside-source build
- Comprehensive documentation
- including tutorials, reference manuals and real world projects using it

## What is Ninja?

Ninja is a small, speed-focused build tool that fills a similar role of Unix `make` or its GNU counterpart `gmake`.

Its main feature is a low-level approach to build description. Ninja is bare-bones and constrained by design, having only the necessary semantics to describe build dependency graphs, relegating decision-making to superior tools like Meson or CMake. Where other build systems act like high level languages, Ninja acts like an assembly.

Albeit Ninja DSL is human-readable, it is not convenient to be manually written by human beings. As said before, Ninja is commonly used in tandem with other, higher-level build system in a two-pass fashion. In our present use case, the Meson interpreter converts Meson files to Ninja files that will be consumed by Ninja tool to effectively execute the building/deployment commands.
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## Design

A carefully crafted set of Meson files should be included in order to describe how to deploy the Nix repository, generating all the expected artifacts (command line tools, libraries, configuration files, documentation etc.)

This novel building infrastructure should be able to provide at least feature parity with the current quasi-autotools implementation, albeit in a different user interface.

# Examples and Interactions
[examples-and-interactions]: #examples-and-interactions

## Example interaction

Here is a table comparing some expected interactions:

| Action | Current | Meson+Ninja | Meson, backend-agnostic |
|-----------|--------------------------------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------------------|
| Configure | `./configure --enable-gc=true` | `meson setup build_dir -Dgc=enabled` | `meson setup build_dir -Dgc=enabled` |
| Build | `make` | `ninja -C build_dir build` | `meson -C build_dir compile` |
| Install | `make install` | `ninja -C build_dir install` | `meson -C build_dir install` |
| Uninstall | `make uninstall` | `ninja -C build_dir uninstall` | `meson -C build_dir uninstall` |

## Implementation

Currently, @p01arst0rm is working on an implementation from scratch.

# Drawbacks
[drawbacks]: #drawbacks

Below we will list some possible drawbacks and balances to them.

## Complexity and Bootstrap Issues

A new build system, and any build system for that matter, indirectly brings its own dependencies to the Nix project.

Ideally, such dependencies should be minimal, both in number and complexity, with extra good points for dependencies already present (e.g. the ubiquitous C compiler).

About this specific point, a non-negligible drawback is: the reference implementation of Meson is written in Python. At least theoretically, it brings the necessity of including a Python 3 interpreter on the _bootstrap route_ of Nix.

However, some points can be laid out on the opposite side:

1. By design, the meson reference evaluator depends only on Python, avoiding the use of extra libraries.
2. Also by design, the implementation language is never exposed to the meson DSL. It allows the possibility of implementing alternative evaluators in other programming languages.
1. Indeed, Muon is an alternative implementation of Meson written in C.
3. As part of this evaluation of this bootstrap route, we should also evaluate the current bootstrap route, in order to have a fair comparison.

In principle, the same criticisms and answers can be laid out for Ninja too; however, Ninja is written in C++, a language already used to implement Nix. Therefore, the bootstrap route suffers little to no alteration here.

## Learning the new system

A somewhat subjective but non-negligible issue is the entry barrier of this new build system. Switching from a known build system to one unknown is not without its problems.
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However, the Meson development team strives to keep the DSL easy to learn and pleasurable to use. It should not be hard to become familiar with the Python-esque syntax of meson, and its functional, stateless approach is certainly a feature highly appreciated by the Nix community as a whole.

The huge advantages of implementing Meson surpass the small drawbacks of learning it.

## Source code changes

Further to the obvious inclusion of meson files (and the removal of the old quasi-autotools ones), there is a reasonable expectation of code refactoring.

However, such refactorings are completely validated on the long term goals of Nix, in particular the improvements on portability.
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## End users

The most known end user of Nix is certainly Nixpkgs. However, there are many other Linux distributions that already keep Nix on their repositories (15 families, according to Repology). There is also a reasonable expectation of affecting those package managers' devteams.

However, most (if not all) of those distributions already have Meson and its companion tool Ninja in their respective package databases (53 families, according to Repology), given that many open source projects use them as build system.
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Shouldn't that be part of the “bootstrapping” subsection?

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Not so much. Bootstrapping is mostly useful for the Nix team.

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Aren't both paragraphs answering the question of “how hard it it to get Nix to build from scratch?”

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Yes, but from different perspectives.

For an already consolidated package manager like, say, Gentoo, they will merely put Meson and Ninja as build dependencies in their ebuilds.

For the "bootstrappers" with a C/C++ toolchain (already required for building Nix), they will need to compile Python from sources in order to compile Meson - or alternatively compile Muon.


## Transition between old and new build infrastructure

The transition between old and new build systems should be as smooth and controlled as possible.

# Alternatives
[alternatives]: #alternatives
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For the sake of completeness there should probably also be an item here about bazel, buck & friends

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I believe it is well summarized on the examples of waf and premake.

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Not exactly. The argument against them is that they are a language-specific DSL, but that's not the case of Bazel or Buck.

They do have a bootstrap problem ofc, but it's a different one (single implem, lots of deps)

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A different one, and considerably worse than Meson. Cmake would be way better than them.

I do not believe they deserve more than a mention. If anyone is interested on picking Buck or Bazel or Imake, kudos to them!

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Well now, let's be fair, there's definitely more than one implementation of Bazel.

The original design of it is Google's internal closed-source thing designed specifically to meet Google's distributed cloud computing needs, after all. ;) Bazel itself is just an open-source attempt to make BUILD / *.bzl files look like an acceptable thing for other projects to include to make Google's life easier. ;)

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My list of complaints:

  1. I know nothing about them

  2. They are built in Java

  3. There is no alternative implementation in another language like C or C++ or even Python

  4. I do not like Java

  5. Java support on Nixpkgs is not the best in this planet

  6. Bootstrap Java is a hell:

    Unfortunately, most of the software needed for the bootstrap has been abandoned. To ensure that the JDK can be built from sources without the need for an existing installation of the OpenJDK we propose to continue maintaining the links of this bootstrap chain.

  7. Java is heavier than Python

  8. Have I said I do not like Java?

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yep sounds about right 🤣

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Maybe too late. Has Zig been considered? It claims being an alternative:

but you can use Zig as a replacement for autotools, cmake, make, scons, ninja, etc.

Zig is offering to replace a project’s build system with a reasonable language using a declarative API for building projects, that also provides package management, and thus the ability to actually depend on other C libraries. The ability to have dependencies enables higher level abstractions, and thus the proliferation of reusable high-level code.

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the entire point of meson is it offers the ability to compile all projects regardless of source language, build environment, linker, or compiler configurations. it offers flexibility and simplicity which allows easy maintainability into the future. the zig buildsystem is designed for c/c++ and is not nearly as well documented or flexible.

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Also Zig is oriented to Zig itself, while Meson is general-purpose.
Using Zig as Autotools replacement would be as worse as - or even worser than - using Bazel or Waf.


The alternatives are

- Do nothing

It would keep the current code confusing and harder to work with, as stated on the motivation section.

- Use CMake

Indeed, CMake has many noteworthy advantages:

- Supports typical high level idiomatic constructions.
- Can generate GMake- and Ninja-compatible scripts.
- By design, Meson does not provide a Make backend.
- Both Meson and CMake support Microsoft Windows NT and Apple MacOS platforms
- As well as MSVC and XCode programming environments.
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However, CMake DSL is arguably more complex and cumbersome, whereas Meson is more polished.

- Evaluate other building systems (waf, premake, bazel, xmake etc.)

About this, a principle should be observed:

Per the bootstrap route issue discussed above, build tools strongly tied to other programming languages are severely discouraged.

E.g. waf is basically a Python library, whereas premake and xmake are Lua libraries. They can't be decoupled of their implementation languages.

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Another indispensable attribute to be considered is cross-compilation support.

- Use Bazel

For the sake of completeness, there is Bazel, a Google(TM)-backed build system that sells itself as "fast, scalable, multi-language and extensible".

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Just as a comment, adding (TM) after "Google" seems a bit snarky/edgy/weird especially considering that "Meson is a registered trademark of Jussi Pakkanen" per https://mesonbuild.com/legal.html - so should every mention of it in this RFC also be rewritten to "Meson(TM)"?

I get that apparently Bazel or Google isn't popular or it might also not be the right choice for building/bootstrapping nix, but this whole section feels very unprofessional in style and argumentation, both in the document itself as well as the discussion here in the PR.

If you for example just want a simple way to define build steps and save time on rebuilds, you could even just use https://gittup.org/tup/ instead of adopting a complicated system like Meson.

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I have years experience with tup. It is a really bad choice, because tup projects lack modular structure.

The only alternative to c and c++ projects is CMake.

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Just as a comment, adding (TM) after "Google" seems a bit snarky/edgy/weird especially considering that "Meson is a registered trademark of Jussi Pakkanen" per https://mesonbuild.com/legal.html - so should every mention of it in this RFC also be rewritten to "Meson(TM)"?

Another possible reason for the snark is because specifically Google is well known for:

  • a vast graveyard of abandoned projects
  • designing the software they don't abandon for the specific use case of working well in Google's own heavily specific environment, many of which boil down to "bazel wants to use its own internal vendored everything, because at google, they have one official everything baked into bazel and then make all software use that via bazel".

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I don't see how this explains this sort of wording or style of discussion/argumentation. If Bazel is a bad fit, I'm sure this can be phrased in a better way with clearer arguments than "Backed by Google(TM)."

It might be easier if there are clear goals and clear no-gos stated in the RFC (e.g. "bootstrapping nix with its build system SHOULD not require significantly more dependencies than bootstrapping all build tools and building the nix binaries itself" - which would exclude Bazel, since it requires a JVM, or the Python implementation of Meson, since it requires a Python interpreter). Ideally even with performance numbers that show that there is actually an improvement in the stated expected goals (which don't include "keeping the bootstrap dependency graph small" btw. even though a large portion of the text of the RFC and the discussions seem to center around this).

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You need/want a less sarcastic paragraph? I can possibly reword it.

On the other hand, my intention with this RFC is not to advocate generically for some better build system.
Rather, it is to advocate especifically for Meson.
The clear goal is "Meson builds Nix"; the no-gos are not so clear.

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I would also like to point out that glibc depends on python to build itself for a while now. Python on its own is not actually a meaningful additional dependency unless you are committed to equally supporting musl, which my understanding is that NixOS isn't, even if nix is.

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Yet another good reason to push for Muon+Samurai :)


Advantages:

- Fast, scalable, multi-language and extensible.
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- Your mileage may vary.
- Backed by Google(TM).

Disadvantages:

- [Not fully open source yet](https://bazel.build/about/faq#are_you_done_open_sourcing_bazel)
- Written in Java
- Java bootstrap is fairly complex and completely dependent on _open-source abandonware_, as demonstrated by [Bootstrappable](https://bootstrappable.org/projects/java.html) project.
- At the time there is no alternative implementation of Bazel in another language.
- Backed by Google(TM).

# Unresolved questions
[unresolved]: #unresolved-questions

Questions that deserve further inquiry:

- Unexpected interactions with Meson and Ninja
- Specially, vendoring and reproducibility.

# Future work
[future]: #future-work

- Update project's continuous integration and related stuff;
- Deprecate and remove the current quasi-autotools scripts
- Preferably, the removal should be allocated to a minor version release.
- Evaluate the positive and negative impacts of such a change
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- Specially the most subjective ones.

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# References
[references]: #references

- [Meson](https://meson.build/) official site
- [Muon](https://muon.build/), a C99 alternative implementation
- [Ninja](https://ninja-build.org/) official site
- [Samurai](https://github.com/michaelforney/samurai), a C99 alternative implementation
- [Meson tutorial](https://mesonbuild.com/Porting-from-autotools.html) comparing autotools and Meson
- [NetBSD tutorial](https://wiki.netbsd.org/pkgsrc/how_to_convert_autotools_to_meson/) comparing Meson and autotools
- [Boostrappable Builds](https://bootstrappable.org/)
- [CMake](https://cmake.org/)
- [Xmake](https://xmake.io/)
- [Bazel](https://bazel.build)

- [Free-to-read book from the creator of Meson](https://nibblestew.blogspot.com/2021/12/this-year-receive-gift-of-free-meson.html)

- [Current work in progress from @p01arst0rm](https://github.com/NixOS/nix/pull/3160)