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[RFC 175] Memorandum on Equitable Moderation #175

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feature: Memorandum of Understanding on Equitable Moderation
start-date: 2024-04-24
author: nrdxp
co-authors: apcodes
shepherd-team:
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Since I was banned (technically) / suspended (effectively) previously before doing this

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Prior art section can likely go here

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related-issues: RFC 98](https://github.com/NixOS/rfcs/pull/98) [RFC 102](https://github.com/NixOS/rfcs/pull/102) [RFC 114](https://github.com/NixOS/rfcs/pull/114)

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To quote from the template: "will contain links to implementation PRs". So no, prior art can likely go elsewhere (into the "Prior art section", if you want to follow the template)

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Feel like related-issues could be better phrased then... as issues should really correspond to issues.

but good catch

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# Summary
[summary]: #summary

- The primary objective of this RFC is to fundamentally enhance the existing moderation practices to ensure fairness and transparency within our community.

- We propose the adoption of a *Memorandum of Understanding on Equitable Moderation* (hereinafter referred to as the *Memorandum*), establishing a foundation for reasonable expectations within a community of equal and reasonable contributors.

- To prevent the abuse of exclusionary power inherent in community moderation, we aim to establish an *Appeals Council* with a diverse composition.
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Would you be satisfied if the moderation team couldn’t ban you from NixOS/nix{,pkgs}?

The more people you put into the bureaucracy, the more bureaucratic it will get.

I feel that most issues happen on Matrix or Discourse and “bubble up”, but I feel it’s quite rare to see horrible behavior on GH.

Of course it will happen occasionally, but you could delegate it to a NixOS org owner.


- This council will ensure adherence to the standards set forth in the *Memorandum*.

# Motivation
[motivation]: #motivation

The existing moderation structure has evolved from a series of compromises designed to balance the need for formal community governance with a preference for a less extensive approach than that of the unsuccessful RFC 98.

Governance must be legitimate, grounded in a clear understanding of its purpose, powers, and limitations. Recent controversial moderation decisions, particularly the bans of prominent community members Srid and blaggacao, have, in our view, lacked sufficient explanation, violating the principle of transparency to which the current moderation team is committed.

The absence of clear, accessible reasons for these decisions suggests that the current community moderation structure requires significant improvement.

Despite these issues, we firmly believe in the necessity of a fair and equitable moderation structure for the community's functionality. We are confident that improvements can be made within the existing institutional framework, but substantive changes are necessary to achieve a more desirable state of affairs.

In accordance with RFC 102, the moderation team uses the NixOS foundation mission statement as a guideline. However, the interpretation of this mission statement and the subsequent [Code of Conduct][coc] is largely at the team's discretion. RFC 102 acknowledged the absence of explicit guidance on this matter.

We contend that this ambiguity has allowed the moderation team to shape community values without consent, either direct or implied. The exercise of power in this manner, to suppress reasonable dissent and foster an illusion of unity, has a chilling effect that hinders productive dialogue and ultimately harms the project.

This proposal seeks to establish clear foundations for a shared understanding of moderation practices through the *Memorandum of Understanding on Equitable Moderation* and to ensure these foundations are upheld in practice. It aims to prevent the NixOS foundation mission statement from being misused to enforce a homogenizing moderation policy.

The *Memorandum* should be seen as a normatively binding interpretation of the moderation team's mission statement.

This document aims to articulate an overlapping consensus on reasonable expectations for anyone participating as an equal member in this community, emphasizing that community members are accountable to moderation and vice versa.

# Detailed Design
[design]: #detailed-design

## Goals

- Adopt the *Memorandum of Understanding on Equitable Moderation* to foster a shared understanding of equitable moderation practices that accommodate a community with diverse sociopolitical views.
- Ensure transparent accountability of moderation practices to community members.
- Ground community member accountability in publicly available general principles, providing a stable basis for behavioral expectations.
- Make wide-ranging decisions regarding community member exclusion understandable.
- Promote a diverse moderation team to balance diverse perspectives on controversial issues.
- Establish an *Appeals Council* to hold moderation team members and procedures accountable and to allow for the revision of significant decisions if they fail to meet the community's reasonable standards.

## Memorandum of Understanding on Equitable Moderation

In response to the impression left by past events and with a fervent desire for improvement, we adopt the following principles and maxims as the *Memorandum of Understanding on Equitable Moderation*. These principles serve to clarify the overlapping consensus on reasonable expectations for community participation:

1) We, as moderators, commit to basing decisions on general principles and concrete reasons that apply equally to all community members, irrespective of characteristics such as sociopolitical orientation, economic status, identity, or religion.
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This is nonsensical. Moderation decisions are based on whatever Code of Conduct or similar rules apply, not "general principles". The notion of "concrete reasons that apply equally to all community members, irrespective of characteristics" is vague in the extreme—not to mention the category "sociopolitical orientation".

2) We adhere to the principles of *equality* and *objectivity*. Equality refers to the status of each community member, while objectivity pertains to the consistent, unbiased reasoning behind our decisions.
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There is no objective moderation. Moderation is always an exercise in value judgement.

3) A *concrete reason* is a verifiable state of affairs that can be demonstrated to other community members upon request.
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This is an impossibly high standard for moderation.

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How so? Could you elaborate?

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How so? Could you elaborate?

Consider this passage:

A concrete reason is a verifiable state of affairs that can be demonstrated to other community members upon request.

How do you formally verify and/or demonstrate that someone is trolling? A taped confession?

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I don't see why it wouldn't be possible to do so in many cases. In fact, if the moderation cannot present evidence enough to base a decision on I don't think it should act at all, or must not go above low duration, temporal suspensions. If, for example, I am a moderator the moderation "triggers" could be totally different than if another person is, and the rest of the community has no way to reliably know.

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How do you formally verify and/or demonstrate that someone is trolling? A taped confession?

Is this an argument for or against trolling?

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I don't think its either? Its saying that calling someone a troll is an easy way to dismiss them, even if they're expressing their genuine beliefs. Now, their genuine beliefs may not be something that's allowed to be expressed on Discourse, so say that.

Edit: Actually I don't think that was their point. Which shows it can be hard(or maybe just for me) to follow online discussions and figure out what exactly someone means.

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I think most of the coder's covenant is easy to demonstrate reasoning. Just linking to the personal attack, trolling, etc should be enough context for everyone to agree.

Maybe we shouldn't be shifting goal posts on what moderation team is supposed to do?

4) We acknowledge that *concrete reasons* are not self-explanatory, except in extreme cases, and we will provide explanations relating them to the general principles guiding our decisions.
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So you know that the previous point is actually unworkable, and yet you proposed it anyway?

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I don't understand how that is what that says?

Person A says X. Person A is banned because of saying X(the concrete reason). Person A asks why they were banned, moderators explain how X violates rules and why it is harmful to the community to allow it.

5) We affirm that moderation actions must be fair and proportionate to the related issue.
6) We ensure that concrete reasons for permanent bans are available for inspection by long-standing community members.
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Who decides who are these "long-standing community member" inspectors?

7) We recognize that moderation actions should not be based solely on the volume of complaints.
8) We commit to treating community members with respect and avoiding derogatory language when addressing concerns.
9) We affirm our role as moderators is to facilitate a respectful community, not to punish members. We will use language that reflects mutual respect.
10) We prefer inclusion to exclusion, resorting to permanent exclusion only in cases of extreme necessity. We are committed to exploring ways to prevent exclusion and to engaging constructively in efforts to reinstate excluded members.
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This also needs to respect the implicit exclusion of community members that then seemingly-voluntarily retreat from community spaces, just because the presence of certain members that is hugely deterring to a subset of folks needs to be endured just for the sake of reinstating them.

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Participating in the Nix community is a privilege and not a right. The standard "only in cases of extreme necessity" is too high a bar.

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Yet to exclude someone is often bullying

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Excluding someone happens so we can protect the community. Framing that as bullying is a questionable mischaracterization of the purpose of moderation.

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Moderation is always going to filter people out, by design. This is unconditional, because even a lack of moderation –as proposed here– will simply filter out a different set of people.

Saying "we don't want to exclude anyone" effectively means "we want different filters". But of course the former sounds a lot more nice

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Yes. Moderators need to filter out the spammers, trolls, and generally speaking bad actors. They need to exclude some people.

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So you think that –for example– being a careless dick in reviews would be okay? Because it's clearly not intentionally hurting others. And if people decide to avoid that person that's their choice.

And again, framing any exclusion as bullying is disingenuous. Yes both involve kind of getting rid of a person, and that's where the similarities end. Bullying is so much diff than politely showing someone the door.

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I didn't say being unintentionally hurtful is okay. I said it's very different from being intentionally hurtful and should be treated differently.

And if people decide to avoid that person that's their choice.

Avoiding someone isn't exclusion, excluding someone is exclusion. Threatening to leave a community if someone isn't excluded is calling for exclusion because you personally dislike someone. Most online discussion forums have ways to block seeing some users, I'm not sure if Discourse has a way though as I can only see the option to mute. That does seem like a valuable feature though if any person is so irritating to you.

And again, framing any exclusion as bullying is disingenuous.

It often(not always) is in my opinion. You're free to disagree, but its not disingenuous because I'm being genuine.

Yes both involve kind of getting rid of a person, and that's where the similarities end. Bullying is so much diff than politely showing someone the door.

A community forum isn't someone barging into a private home. If someone joins a local community group, then says something(not hurtful) that the leadership of the group disagrees with so they band together to kick them out- yeah that could be a form of bullying.

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I didn't say being unintentionally hurtful is okay. I said it's very different from being intentionally hurtful and should be treated differently.

To add to this, some of the symptoms described by ASD and other disorders can make it difficult for people to interpret and predict the impact their words have on others.

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I didn't say being unintentionally hurtful is okay. I said it's very different from being intentionally hurtful and should be treated differently.

To add to this, some of the symptoms described by ASD and other disorders can make it difficult for people to interpret and predict the impact their words have on others.

Please don't try to use ASD and similar things do excuse rude behavior. I know many neurodivergent people that go out of their way to be kind to others, while there are also people that use their neurodivergency as a shield from skepticism.

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Please don't try to use ASD and similar things do excuse rude behavior.

I didn't say being unintentionally hurtful is okay. I said it's very different from being intentionally hurtful and should be treated differently.

To add to this, some of the symptoms described by ASD and other disorders can make it difficult for people to interpret and predict the impact their words have on others.

Please don't try to use ASD and similar things do excuse rude behavior. I know many neurodivergent people that go out of their way to be kind to others, while there are also people that use their neurodivergency as a shield from skepticism.

I didn't and I'm not. ASD has the S for a reason though. And its important to recognize that the differences in people diagnosed with ASD is no less wide than the differences between neurotypicals. What I'm saying is that something that might seem obviously rude to some people might not to others(ASD or not). I only mentioned ASD to say that that could be something that exasperates that difference.

out of their way to be kind to others

And I think this is also a big misunderstanding. Saying someone may not be equipped to recognize how their words effects others doesn't mean they don't want to be kind. Of course they do, most people do. That doesn't mean that's how what they say is interpreted by others though.

11) To reflect a consensus in a diverse community, the moderation team must embody cultural and viewpoint diversity, respecting members with varying societal views, provided they do not undermine equal community membership.

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Ignoring the context of all the drama for a quick second, but is this the primary topic of contention for this and the past community/moderation RFCs? i.e.: do we either:

  1. prioritize full equality on teams
    or 2. do we prioritize "positive" discimination to try and create more diverse teams in order to reverse systemic trends.
    From my (granted, limited) parsing of the threads I can see two definite groups arguing for/against these two options. Is my inference correct?

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@zyansheep I believe your summary is accurate. There are some who want equality and others who want equity.

The concern on one side is the pursuit of equity will result in discrimination of other groups based upon characteristics that have nothing to do with technical ability.

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Really confusing wording here. What is "viewpoint diversity"? How can it be "embodied"?

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I agree with this. Having examples on how this would be done would be great.

12) We respect viewpoint diversity in cultural and political matters when selecting moderation team candidates.
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Why are you making this political? What "viewpoints" aren't being respected?

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Well people were excluded for differing viewpoints.

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"differing viewpoints" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here

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If they're not explicitly violating clearly stated rules, yeah they are just differing viewpoints.

13) We understand that reasonable moderation is based on past events or future expectations, necessitating respect for historical records and transparency in controversial events.
14) We uphold that true diversity necessitates exceptional tolerance, actively embracing not only the ideas we favor but, also, those we disagree with. This commitment to tolerance is fundamental in fostering a community where diverse viewpoints can coexist and enrich our collective experience.
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I'm afraid you might have a flawed conception of what the desired core of diversity means.

The diversity a community needs isn't about either trying to widen the spectrum as wide as possible or gathering as many arbitrarily defined sub groups just for the sake of some metric, but it's about fostering an environment where also those viewpoints that would otherwise not dare to be there because of the presence of certain others can come up.
In this sense, it can even paradoxically increase diversity when 2 usually widely-represented factions are restricted just to enable only 1 other faction to be present in the community – if it is one faction that requires an exceptional safe environment to even be heard.

One of the documents you link to mentions

is then to effectuate an elimination of the wannabe woke invaders

Doesn't sound that welcoming and embracing, @nrdxp and Srid?

I would've pointed you towards the paradox of intolerance, but turns out from your evidence document that you're already aware of it but not a fan.

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I would've pointed you towards the paradox of intolerance

And that distorted "simplification" from PictOnline? Pfft.


## Resolution to Adopt the *Memorandum*

- Incorporate the *Memorandum* text into the moderation repository on GitHub, linking it prominently from the Code of Conduct and all relevant public information sources.
- Implement one-year term limits for moderation team members, with a one-year hiatus before potential return. Apply this rule retroactively.
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So you want to just eject all the mods who have been around for a year or more and make it so they cant come back for at least a year? Why?

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I think that rotation is a good thing. Provided the moderation team is always accountable for their actions, this would minimize both arbitrariness and incentives for power tripping.

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I think that rotation is a good thing. Provided the moderation team is always accountable for their actions, this would minimize both arbitrariness and incentives for power tripping.

Rotation only works if there is people that would do the Job. Moderation in NixOS spaces is volunteering work and so far the moderation team struggles a lot with member retention and acquisition and moderators semi-quickly burning out. This also is a limiting factor in terms of how much work can be put into reports, if every single mute/suspension/ban has to be a 5 pages report then you will only burn out people more quickly.

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Well moderation is a responsibility, a job of sorts after all. It requires commitment and collecting/presenting evidence that justifies your actions, particularly if these actions would prevent interaction with the codebase permanently, is part of that commitment. You cannot act on a whim and expect the community to just trust you.

I think accountability mechanisms should be in place.

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Given that currently moderators rarely stay for longer than half a year before burning out, this rule is mostly void and I don't really see much point in discussing it.

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Then why not include it? If moderators wouldn't mind it, and it would improve trust in moderators.

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Given that currently moderators rarely stay for longer than half a year before burning out

Maybe this is a symptom of how behaviors are enforced in the community. Not reprimanding and establishing behavioral precedents early on opens up the pandora's box of "what is acceptable".

Unfortunately, I think the environment has shifted from "what is acceptable" to "who his acceptable".

- Align the current moderation team composition and the Code of Conduct with the *Memorandum* principles within three months of adopting this document.

## Resolution to Establish an Appeals Council

- Form an *Appeals Council* of three long-standing community members, reflecting cultural and viewpoint diversity.
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Would shorter but lower barrier suspensions be applicable here? Feel like an appeals council is a lot of "additional overhead" for moderation activity.

Maybe this would be prudent short term to review previous moderation actions?

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On lemmy.world/c/politics I almost always default to 3(or x < 7) day suspensions, for trolls they just get bored when they see they get banned. And for the majority of kind people that got heated, they see that and don't get upset that it's disproportionate. Very rarely except for the most blatant trolling (repeated direct insults to other users and slurs) do I permanently ban. I generally don't moderate insults directed at moderators.

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a few bullets down there is a stipulation that says that appeals council members can only overturn moderation decisions exceeding 3 months, to avoid excessive appeals. Essentially only someone who is excluded from the project for an extended period need appeal.

- Exclude current moderation team members from the *Appeals Council*, with former members eligible after a one-year hiatus.
- Grant the council authority to override moderation team nominations, overturn decisions, and end moderation team memberships that conflict with the *Memorandum* principles.
- Adopt a 2/3 majority rule for council decisions, disallowing abstentions to avoid indecision.
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How can someone recuse themself if they have a potential or apparent conflict of interest if they are barred from abstention?

- Allow community members equal rights to appeal to the *Appeals Council* regarding its powers, with limitations on appealing disciplinary bans to cases exceeding three months.
- Ensure timely appeal decisions within two months and make the council's reasoning publicly accessible upon request.

# Examples and Interactions
[examples-and-interactions]: #examples-and-interactions

In response to recent contentious events and the existing moderation team's failure to adequately address perceived inconsistencies in moderation practices, we have compiled a detailed document of evidence. This document is essential to demonstrate the urgent need for the *Memorandum of Understanding on Equitable Moderation*. The evidence collected underscores the patterns of abuse of power and a prevailing culture of silence that have necessitated this proposal. Due to the sensitive and potentially inflammatory nature of the contents, we have chosen to host this evidence externally to ensure that discussions around it are approached with the necessary caution and context:

- [Appendix of Evidences & Experiences][evidences]

In addition, since we have been banned from participating in the discussion immediately after posting the RFC, we decided to start responding to some of the more egregious posts in a separate document in order to defend our postion.

- [Appendix of Comment Responses][responses]

# Drawbacks
[drawbacks]: #drawbacks

While the proposed *Memorandum of Understanding on Equitable Moderation* and the establishment of an *Appeals Council* aim to enhance fairness and transparency in moderation practices, there are several potential drawbacks to consider:

1. **Complexity and Bureaucracy**: The introduction of the *Memorandum* and the *Appeals Council* could potentially increase the complexity of the moderation process. This might lead to slower decision-making and could require more resources to manage effectively. The need for detailed explanations and adherence to the *Memorandum* might also add bureaucratic layers that could hinder swift action when needed.

2. **Potential for Conflict**: The establishment of an *Appeals Council* with the power to override decisions made by the moderation team could lead to conflicts between these two bodies. This might result in inconsistencies in moderation actions and could potentially create divisions within the community if not managed carefully.

3. **Resource Intensiveness**: Implementing and maintaining the structures proposed in the RFC, such as the *Appeals Council* and the ongoing review of moderation actions as per the *Memorandum*, will require significant time and effort from community members. This could divert attention and resources away from other important projects and initiatives within the community.

4. **Risk of Over-Regulation**: While the *Memorandum* aims to provide clear and equitable guidelines for moderation, there is a risk that these rules could become overly restrictive. This might stifle the organic growth and evolution of community norms and could discourage community members from participating in moderation due to fear of making mistakes or being perceived as biased.

5. **Challenge in Achieving Diversity**: The goal of ensuring that the moderation team and the *Appeals Council* reflect cultural and viewpoint diversity is commendable. However, achieving this diversity in practice can be challenging. There is a risk that the selection process could become contentious or that it might not be possible to find suitable candidates who meet all the desired criteria.

6. **Unintended Consequences**: Any change in governance structures can have unintended consequences. For example, the introduction of term limits for moderation team members might lead to a loss of experienced moderators, which could impact the quality of moderation in the short term. Additionally, the requirement for transparency and detailed explanations could inadvertently lead to privacy concerns or the sharing of sensitive information.

Despite these potential drawbacks, the need for reform is driven by the already severely eroded trust in the existing moderation team. The community's confidence has been significantly undermined by a series of controversial decisions and a perceived lack of transparency and fairness. This situation has created a pressing need for changes that can restore trust and ensure a moderation process that is perceived as just and equitable by all community members.

By acknowledging these potential drawbacks, the community can better prepare for and mitigate these challenges as it works to implement the proposed changes. The benefits of restoring trust and improving the moderation framework are considered to outweigh the risks and costs associated with the proposed reforms. The commitment to transparency, fairness, and inclusivity is expected to foster a stronger, more cohesive community, ultimately benefiting the project as a whole.

# Alternatives
[alternatives]: #alternatives

This section explores possible alternatives to the proposed *Memorandum of Understanding on Equitable Moderation* and the establishment of an *Appeals Council*. Each alternative is assessed for its potential impact on the community and its alignment with the community's values and needs.

## Continue with the Status Quo

- **Description**: This alternative involves maintaining the current moderation practices without any significant changes.
- **Implications**: While this approach requires the least effort in terms of implementation, it risks further erosion of trust within the community. The recent controversies and perceived inconsistencies in moderation could continue to alienate members and may lead to a decline in active participation and contributions.
- **Evaluation**: Given the current dissatisfaction expressed by parts of the community, continuing with the status quo is likely to be unsustainable and could exacerbate existing tensions.

## Decentralize Moderation Responsibilities

- **Description**: Instead of a centralized moderation team, moderation responsibilities could be distributed among a larger group of trusted community members.
- **Implications**: This could potentially increase the transparency and fairness of moderation decisions, as more viewpoints would be involved in the decision-making process. However, it might also lead to further inconsistencies in how rules are applied and complicate the coordination of moderation actions.
- **Evaluation**: While decentralization could address some concerns about power concentration and lack of representation, it requires robust mechanisms for coordination and conflict resolution to be effective.

## Implement Automated Moderation Tools

- **Description**: Utilize software tools to automate certain aspects of moderation, such as detecting and handling clear-cut cases of rule violations.
- **Implications**: Automation could increase the efficiency of moderation and reduce the burden on human moderators. However, over-reliance on automation could lead to errors, such as inappropriate bans or failure to capture the nuances of human interactions.
- **Evaluation**: While helpful as a supplementary tool, automation cannot fully replace human judgment, especially in complex or sensitive cases. It should be used cautiously to support, not replace, human moderators.

## Conclusion

After considering the alternatives, it becomes evident that while each option has its merits, none fully address the comprehensive needs of the community as effectively as the proposed *Memorandum of Understanding on Equitable Moderation* and the establishment of an *Appeals Council*. These proposals aim to create a more transparent, fair, and accountable moderation system that aligns with the community's values of diversity and open dialogue.

# Prior art
[prior-art]: #prior-art

[RFC 98](https://github.com/NixOS/rfcs/pull/98)
[RFC 102](https://github.com/NixOS/rfcs/pull/102)
[RFC 114](https://github.com/NixOS/rfcs/pull/114)
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Oh, should have scanned this far down before my self-nomination...

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I wrote this before my ban from github landed. Thought it was fun so I left in the review.




# Unresolved Questions
[unresolved]: #unresolved-questions

- It may be the case that not all participants in the current community around NixOS/Nix are reasonable actors desiring a community of diverse yet equal participants, but rather prefer to exclude people on unreasonable grounds to satisfy a purely subjective desire or feeling.
- How will the *Memorandum* and the *Appeals Council* adapt to the evolving needs and values of the community over time, ensuring that they remain relevant and effective?
- What mechanisms will be put in place to evaluate the effectiveness of the *Memorandum* and the *Appeals Council* in achieving their intended goals, and how frequently will this evaluation occur?
- What steps will be taken to maintain the confidentiality and privacy of individuals involved in moderation disputes, especially in cases where sensitive issues are being discussed?
- What strategies will be implemented to ensure that the cultural and viewpoint diversity of the moderation team and the *Appeals Council* is truly representative of the community's demographics?

These unresolved questions highlight areas where further discussion and planning may be necessary to ensure the successful implementation and operation of the proposed *Memorandum* and *Appeals Council*. Addressing these questions will help to anticipate challenges and prepare more comprehensive solutions.
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This RFC has a number of glaring problems.


[evidences]: https://github.com/nrdxp/rfc-evidence/blob/master/rfc_evidences_experiences.md
[responses]: https://github.com/nrdxp/rfc-evidence/blob/master/thread_responses.md
[coc]: https://github.com/NixOS/.github/blob/master/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md