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| # Node Foundation CTC Meeting 2016-08-03 | ||
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| ## Links | ||
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| * **Audio Recording**: TBP | ||
| * **GitHub Issue**: https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/7948 | ||
| * **Minutes Google Doc**: <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ufR5dNuN3JLmFPvCvLYGRa98_-eqy5yY3zJuTnT60K8/edit#heading=h.ncvpl89y747j> | ||
| * _Previous Minutes Google Doc: <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rHxRb-ImjwFPOCOapgRDLdhqr4LJvie7eDNPOnDu2UA>_ | ||
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| ## Present | ||
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| * Anna Henningsen @addaleax (observer) | ||
| * Bradley Meck @bmeck (observer/GoDaddy/TC39) | ||
| * Ben Noordhuis @bnoordhuis (CTC) | ||
| * Сковорода Никита Андреевич @ChALkeR (CTC) | ||
| * Colin Ihrig @cjihrig (CTC) | ||
| * Evan Lucas @evanlucas (CTC) | ||
| * Jeremiah Senkpiel @Fishrock123 (CTC) | ||
| * James M Snell @jasnell (CTC) | ||
| * Josh Gavant @joshgav (observer/Microsoft) | ||
| * Michael Dawson @mhdawson (CTC) | ||
| * Brian White @mscdex (CTC) | ||
| * Ali Ijaz Sheikh @ofrobots (CTC) | ||
| * Bert Belder @piscisaureus (CTC) | ||
| * Saúl Ibarra Corretgé @saghul (observer) | ||
| * Rich Trott @Trott (CTC) | ||
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| ## Standup | ||
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| * Anna Henningsen @addaleax (observer) | ||
| * Issues & PR review | ||
| * Bradley Meck @bmeck (observer/GoDaddy/TC39) | ||
| * Went to TC39 | ||
| * Modules are going to take a different direction | ||
| * Ben Noordhuis @bnoordhuis (CTC) | ||
| * Nothing special. | ||
| * Сковорода Никита Андреевич @ChALkeR (CTC) | ||
| * Working on the npm dataset rebuilding tool. Some comments on issues and PRs as usual. | ||
| * Colin Ihrig @cjihrig (CTC) | ||
| * Was on vacation | ||
| * Reviewing issues and PRs since I've been back | ||
| * Evan Lucas @evanlucas (CTC) | ||
| * A little cherry-picking to v6.x | ||
| * Working on getting commit validator running for PRs | ||
| * Jeremiah Senkpiel @Fishrock123 (CTC) | ||
| * Mostly away, experimenting with nucleus-js. | ||
| * James M Snell @jasnell (CTC) | ||
| * Node Summit | ||
| * Exploring the possibility of an HTTP/2 implementation in core | ||
| * Continued evaluation of the WHATWG URL implementation | ||
| * Foundation-y / TSC-y stuff | ||
| * Reviewing PRs, catching up still from vacation | ||
| * Josh Gavant @joshgav (observer/Microsoft) | ||
| * internal stuff, vacation | ||
| * Michael Dawson @mhdawson (CTC) | ||
| * Node Summit/catching up on issues after Node Summit | ||
| * Starting to add linuxOne release machine/jobs | ||
| * Adding new AIX machine from osuosl | ||
| * landed a few minutes PRs | ||
| * Brian White @mscdex (CTC) | ||
| * Commenting on issues/PRs. | ||
| * Ali Ijaz Sheikh @ofrobots (CTC) | ||
| * Node Summit & internal stuff. Spent rest of time shepherding some backports. | ||
| * Planning on writing a proposal for managing V8 for LTS | ||
| * Bert Belder @piscisaureus (CTC) | ||
| * Commented on an issue. | ||
| * Rich Trott @Trott (CTC) | ||
| * CTC/governance documentation updates | ||
| * Onboarding (danbev postponed but we’ll get there, now scheduling with fhinkel, additional nominees welcome) | ||
| * fixed a flaky test, investigating others | ||
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| ## Agenda | ||
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| Extracted from **ctc-agenda** labelled issues and pull requests from the **nodejs org** prior to the meeting. | ||
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| ### nodejs/node | ||
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| * CTC membership nomination: @addaleax [#7607](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/7607) | ||
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| * Revert fs changes [#7846](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/7846) | ||
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| * [meta] realpath issues in v6 [#7726](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/7726) | ||
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| * v4.5.0 proposal [#7688](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/7688) | ||
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| * build: drop support for VS 2013 in v7 [#7484](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/7484) | ||
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| * http: don't inherit from Object.prototype [#6102](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/6102) | ||
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| ### nodejs/node-eps | ||
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| * proposal: WHATWG URL standard implementation [#28](https://github.com/nodejs/node-eps/pull/28) | ||
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| ### other | ||
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| * doc: @piscisaureus has stepped-down from the CTC [#7969](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/7969) | ||
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| ## Previous Meeting | ||
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| ### nodejs/node | ||
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| * Role of CTC in semver-major changes needs clarification [#7848](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/7848) | ||
| * Revert fs changes [#7846](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/7846) | ||
| * doc: add information about CTC quorum rules [#7813](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/7813) | ||
| * meta: provide example activities [#7744](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/7744) | ||
| * meta: realpath issues in v6 [#7726](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/7726) | ||
| * v4.5.0 proposal [#7688](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/7688) | ||
| * punycode: deprecate punycode module [#7552](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/7552) | ||
| * Node 6 fs.realpath behavior changes [#7175](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/7175) | ||
| * http: don't inherit from Object.prototype [#6102](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/6102) | ||
| * Seek legal advice on LICENSE and copyright blocks in code [#3979](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/3979) | ||
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| ### nodejs/post-mortem | ||
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| * Repositories to contribute collaboratively [#30](https://github.com/nodejs/post-mortem/issues/30) | ||
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| ### nodejs/node-eps | ||
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| * proposal: WHATWG URL standard implementation [#28](https://github.com/nodejs/node-eps/pull/28) | ||
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| ## Minutes | ||
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| ### CTC membership nomination: @addaleax [#7607](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/7607) | ||
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| Unanimous `aye`. | ||
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| **Next steps**: @rvagg to merge. | ||
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| ### Revert fs changes [#7846](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/7846) | ||
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| Reverts: | ||
| https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/7846 | ||
| https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/7950 | ||
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| Warn instead of throw when callback is omitted, as in v5: | ||
| https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/7897 | ||
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| @bnoordhuis: This change makes omitting the callback an immediate error. | ||
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| @trott: What do we need to do to get those PRs to land? | ||
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| @addaleax: Myles split off one commit to [#7950](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/7950). Not controversial, was requested by CTC last week. | ||
| This must be landed prior to #7846. | ||
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| @jasnell: Would like to see a CI and CITGM run and some additional testing to make sure we have exactly the right set of reverts. @jasnell will start it. | ||
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| @bnoordhuis: We need to print a deprecation warning [instead of throwing, when no callback]. | ||
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| @addaleax: That’s the plan after the reverts have landed. @thefourtheye plans to work on it. [see #7897]) | ||
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| @jasnell: process warning or deprecation warning? Will we use `util.printDeprecationWarning` or `process.emitWarning()`? | ||
| Deprecation warning is semver-major, process warning is semver-minor or even patch. | ||
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| [It's `printDeprecationWarning`, see [here](https://github.com/thefourtheye/io.js/blob/8c65f7b6a253ab4e26ffe0de791dc41fcee92244/lib/fs.js#L48).] | ||
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| @addaleax: PR to print warning already opened. Could be used instead of reverting, but we agreed to revert last week and it blocks the realpath revert. | ||
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| @Fishrock123: Unbreaking a break and replacing with warning shouldn’t be semver-major. | ||
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| @trott: @jasnell’s PR on semver policies says it should be semver-major. | ||
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| @Fishrock123: Since we already changed it in the v6 transition let’s just change it to a deprecation. | ||
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| @trott: Let’s do the reverts (#7846, #7950), discuss deprecation warning separately in GH (#7897). | ||
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| OK with everybody. | ||
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| **Next steps**: Do the reverts (#7846, #7950). Continue discussion on throw -> warning in #7897. | ||
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| ### [meta] realpath issues in v6 [#7726](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/7726) | ||
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| @trott: Last week we concluded that Anna, Trevor, or Alexis would move it forward. | ||
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| @trott: Just the two reverts that are blocking. | ||
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| @addaleax: Yes. | ||
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| @saghul: Old JS impl did not resolve subst’ed drives. New libuv impl does. A test looks for the new behavior. ] | ||
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| @saghul: Some people are relying on the old JS impl behavior to shorten paths on Windows. What are the right semantics? Should `subst`ed drives resolve to original path or to shortened path? | ||
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| @piscisaureus: The whole reason we use realpath in `module` is to avoid a module being loaded multiple times via multiple symlinked paths. So the goal should be to always resolve to the true path. | ||
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| @piscisaureus: Path limit is 64k not likely to encounter. | ||
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| @saghul: There’s a test for the new code which expects realpath on a subst’ed drive to give the original path. We need to revert this test for reverted behavior. | ||
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| @addaleax: Reverting to fs JS impl would return to old behavior. | ||
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| @trott: Submit a PR to remove that test, or move to known issues tests. | ||
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| @piscisaureus: Leave the test to track changes in the future. | ||
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| @Fishrock123: Key is to revert to an impl the ecosystem is depending on. Discuss this in another PR in GitHub. | ||
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| @jasnell: It’s a revert of the internal impl, not the changed public API [i.e. so we have to consider it now.] | ||
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| What about reverting the removal of the `cache` option? | ||
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| @addaleax: Not including the `cache` option now would allow additional/alternate improvements in the future. | ||
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| @bnoordhuis: Are these changes to land in v7? | ||
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| @jasnell: The idea is to get these into *v6* before it goes LTS. | ||
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| * The realpath change would land in v6. | ||
| * The other changes (revert throwing error on callback) is only in master and would not land in v6. | ||
| * Are the realpath changes dependent on the others? | ||
| * Only Myles’ changes conflict with realpath [see previous item]. | ||
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| @jasnell: Do we have the steps lined up? | ||
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| @addaleax: Myles revert (#7846, #7950), then realpath revert. | ||
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| @? apply semver-major changes that were reverted, with deprecation warning. | ||
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| @chalker: Can we keep tests which were added? Revert removes some tests which aren’t actually related to changes. | ||
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| @piscisareus: Same as @saghul’s comment, and we agreed to keep the new tests. So yes we should keep them. | ||
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| **Next steps**: | ||
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| * Modify PR to keep tests related to new behavior for reference. | ||
| * Apply Myles' reverts (#7846, #7950) | ||
| * Apply `realpath` revert. | ||
| * Discuss other items (e.g. throw -> deprecation, proper realpath for subst'ed drives, cache impl) in GH issues. | ||
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| --- | ||
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| ### v4.5.0 proposal [#7688](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/7688) | ||
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| @trott: Please test the RCs. | ||
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| @mhdawson and @jasnell: Building at IBM and not encountered anything. | ||
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| ### build: drop support for VS 2013 in v7 [#7484](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/7484) | ||
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| @bnoordhuis: Based on @joaocgreis’s comment we can move from 2013 without trouble. | ||
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| @joshgav: @joaocgreis tested against many modules and with CITGM and encountered no problems. | ||
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| @piscisaureus: Can we wait for semver-major? | ||
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| @joshgav: Then we’ll be stuck with 2013 through out v6 LTS. | ||
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| @piscisaureus: Should we make another issue for v6? | ||
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| @jasnell: Let’s get this landed in master and test it out, then make a decision on putting in v6 before October. | ||
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| @trott: Getting pretty close, don’t want to be switching just a month before. | ||
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| **Next steps**: | ||
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| * Merge to master and test. | ||
| * Determine in September if we can apply in v6. | ||
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| ### http: don't inherit from Object.prototype [#6102](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/6102) | ||
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| @chrisdickinson has concerns, @mscdex contacted. No response yet. | ||
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| @Fishrock123: Let’s remove `ctc-agenda` tag for next week. | ||
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| @jasnell: Plenty of discussion, heard from Doug Wilson that it’s a positive change. Would rather not hold up waiting for a response. Would be best to land before v7. | ||
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| @ofrobots: If we are going to change this we should have a plan for if/how we’ll get to maps. | ||
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| @Fishrock123: There are too many people currently depending on this being a regular object. | ||
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| @ofrobots: We shouldn’t break the ecosystem twice. We should target something with maps for v8 or longer timeframe. | ||
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| @Fishrock123: Motivation is ? | ||
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| Some feel we should wait for maps before making a breaking change. Jeremiah feels we should make an effective change now and not wait for an unknown future. | ||
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| @Fishrock123: We’ll need to provide both old and new APIs side by side, and that could be hard to do with maps. | ||
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| @ofrobots: We can delegate old API to a Proxy and add deprecation warnings on that handler. | ||
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| @?: Is Proxy performant enough? | ||
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| @ofrobots: For a deprecated path is it okay to take a performance hit? | ||
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| @evan: Okay with current change proposal (i.e. to not inherit from Object) as long as it’s considered semver-major. | ||
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| @jasnell will work on this. | ||
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| **Next steps**: Decide whether to merge this or wait for maps-based impl. | ||
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| ### nodejs/node-eps proposal: WHATWG URL standard implementation [#28](https://github.com/nodejs/node-eps/pull/28) | ||
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| @trott: briefing now, longer discussion next week. | ||
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| @jasnell: Everyone keep reviewing it. Goal is to land as “experimental” in master, doesn’t have to go in v6. | ||
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| @trevnorris: -1 on global `URL` variable. | ||
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| @Fishrock123 also against new globals other than lang features. | ||
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| @jasnell: It’s a global in browsers. It can be removed, it’s in its own commit. | ||
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| **Next steps**: @nodejs/ctc review @jasnell's proposal. Discuss next week. | ||
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| ### doc: @piscisaureus has stepped-down from the CTC [#7969](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/7969) | ||
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| @Fishrock123: submit PR to remove @piscisaureus and/or move to Collaborator. | ||
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| --- | ||
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| ## Q/A on public fora | ||
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| No questions. | ||
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| ## Upcoming Meetings | ||
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| * CTC: 2016-08-03 | ||
| * TSC: 2016-07-28 | ||
| * Build: 2016-08-07 | ||
| * LTS: 2016-07-25 | ||
| * Diagnostics: Sept | ||
| * Post-Mortem: August | ||
| * API: August |