Tab pages

[bbondy]

To keep in line with browser-laptop, all tab set options should be available

[bsclifton]

Per brave/browser-laptop#955, there could be a slick animation when a new tab causes a new tab page to be created:

[bsclifton]

From brave/browser-laptop#14655: allow scroll wheel to move between tab pages

[bsclifton]

Per brave/browser-laptop#5532 there should be keyboard shortcuts for switching between pages

[bsclifton]

Per brave/browser-laptop#6603 the page indicator should be obvious:

[srirambv]

+2 from https://community.brave.com/t/brave-chromium-tab-handling/39627

[SilverPuppy]

This, in my opinion, is part of a much larger issue: the settings interface which was so well-executed in the Muon build has been reverted, if you will, to the default interface and set that comes with Chromium, with a few small customizations. The entire settings system from Muon needs to be backported into the new codebase as part of the ongoing recreating of the browser.

[eljuno]

+1 from Community for tab set https://community.brave.com/t/what-happened-to-the-tab-sets/39405?u=eljuno

+1 from Community https://community.brave.com/t/restore-original-tab-grouper/44001?u=eljuno

[srirambv]

+1 from @popcornrulez via #2767 to implement multiple rows of tabs

[franzjschneider]

This, in my opinion, is part of a much larger issue: the settings interface which was so well-executed in the Muon build has been reverted, if you will, to the default interface and set that comes with Chromium, with a few small customizations. The entire settings system from Muon needs to be backported into the new codebase as part of the ongoing recreating of the browser.

Agreed and my thoughts upon update were the same. I have to wonder how the original mission of privacy stands as well with the increased tie-in with Google as well.

+1 from me for restoring the original tab grouper.

[ylluminarious]

+1

Please do something here.

I saw that Chrome now has a flag called #scrollable-tabstrips, but it seems to have no effect and according to this post, the Chromium developers have reneged on their promise to implement scrollable tabs. They apparently detest scrolling tabs and like their design the way it is (which is asinine IMO).

Does this flag actually do anything? Can Brave leverage it to have some remedy here? The current tab situation is absolutely a show-stopper for me and dozens if not hundreds of others I've seen around the web and spoken to. Having many tabs open is far more common than Google devs like to think. Anyone who does any kind of research is familiar with this. I've tried using Chrome with 100+ tabs open and it's a total nightmare. In Firefox, it's at least somewhat manageable, especially with the Tree Style Tabs extension. Not being able to even see what a tab is in Chrome is truly terrible.

[Tectract]

Please BUMP this in the priority list! This is the main thing keeping me using Firefox instead of Chrome OR Brave. Tab handling is CRITICALLY BROKEN right now!

[Sa-Ja-Di]

Agreed. Bring back this useful feature.

When is Brave finally starting to deliver customization features which are meant for power users? So far Brave serves only the simple users.

[SilverPuppy]

This is an illustration of another casualty of the move to stock chromium as the base instead of Muon. Feature parity with the Muon version has been promised but not delivered. The Muon version was much better. The feature I miss the most is actually the way it handled downloads, with a delete button and a close button on each item. Unfortunately feature parity with its slicker past self is clearly not a developer priority at this point.

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[Tectract]

Tab pages would be great, but right now, we are not even guaranteed that the tab we are on will even be VISIBLE in the tabs at all. It's a critical flaw that effectively prevents you from being a "power-user" on chrome and Brave, while Firefox still has it. For this single reason alone, both Brave and Chrome are deprecated to the point of being critically broken, and I have to use Firefox instead.

[Minasti7]

I find Brave one of the best and fastest browsers out there but as this feature is not implemented I stopped to use brave at all. I'm a person who open hundreds of tabs and this is annoying, for me it's limited on 70 tabs. There are no plans on this?

[INeedTogepi]

I have been wanting this ever since the move to chromium. Please add it soon.

[Tectract]

Just came back to bump this again. Tabbing is completely broken in Chrome and Brave. Please please prioritize fixing this.

[TheOneWhoseUsernameWasTaken]

+1 for multiple rows of tabs.

[caspertone2003]

Sorry to say, but lack of this feature made me try other alternatives. I had to give up Brave unique ones as isolated tabs is a need for me. Firefox containers work a treat.

Fact is that believing isolated tabs will come back to Brave is just wishful thinking. Probably it breaks the business model. So, I suggest to move on... live with it or switch.

CT

[ValeTheVioletMote]

Just want to add that the lack of this feature continues to keep me off Brave each time I come back to it. It's baffling to think that there are fellow software developers out there who think shrinking tabs is a good idea.

[rhclayto]

+1.

Infinitely shrinking tabs in Chromium browsers is so weird to me, coming from Firefox, with a minimum tab width & tab scrolling for overflow. To me the Firefox way of handling numerous tabs is just way better. Please make this happen in Brave, at least as an option, maybe using the #scrollable-tabstrip flag that is available in Chromium. Enabling that does make minimum width tabs that overflow the tab bar, but they do not scroll, & they push the 'new tab' button off the screen was well.

This would be a huge UX win for Brave over all the other Chromium browsers, especially for people lured away from Firefox.

Edit: It looks like the Chromium team added left & right buttons in a commit last October: https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromium/src/+/2436593 Perhaps that means progress on a Firefox-like scrolling tab bar might come from the Chromium side sometime soon?

+1

[ValeTheVioletMote]

I walked over to Vivaldi. Not only can I move the tabs to the sides to prevent infinite shrinkage, but I can also easily add custom CSS to make topbar tabs not shrink.... Now that's a power user feature.

[SilverPuppy]

This is more important to some others than to me, but tiny tabs DO bother me occasionally; I don't routinely have a lot of tabs open at a time, nor do most, but for those who do, when we do, being able to clearly tell what they are no matter how many there are is important. I remain VERY DISAPPOINTED in the utter complacency regarding feature parity with the Muon version. At this point I think it has become pure laziness; as long as whatever Chrome does is working well enough for most, the devs aren't interested in looking at it.

[dabat]

+1.

Infinitely shrinking tabs in Chromium browsers is so weird to me, coming from Firefox, with a minimum tab width & tab scrolling for overflow. To me the Firefox way of handling numerous tabs is just way better. Please make this happen in Brave, at least as an option, maybe using the #scrollable-tabstrip flag that is available in Chromium. Enabling that does make minimum width tabs that overflow the tab bar, but they do not scroll, & they push the 'new tab' button off the screen was well.

This would be a huge UX win for Brave over all the other Chromium browsers, especially for people lured away from Firefox.

Edit: It looks like the Chromium team added left & right buttons in a commit last October: https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromium/src/+/2436593 Perhaps that means progress on a Firefox-like scrolling tab bar might come from the Chromium side sometime soon?

+1

I found that the following flags make the tab situation in Brave tolerable:

here's how it looks:

[bbondy]

We have tab groups now and this is stale / wontfix.

[Tectract]

This should be re-opened. It's still a major major major bug. I don't even know what tab groups are and I don't use them, just like 99% of all users.

[bsclifton]

@Tectract you can likely achieve most of the same goals of tab pages with tab groups. Tab groups are a bit easier to use (in my opinion) when you use vertical tabs. You can create a group and stuff as many tabs into that group as you'd like. You can then collapse/expand all the tabs in that group with a click.

One of the challenges with tab pages is that there isn't a grouping. It's just an arbitrary number of tabs, in a paged fashion.

If you have time, please try tab groups and share feedback. To get started, you can right click any tab and pick Add tab to group.

It's still a major major major bug

I don't see how this is a bug... definitely a valid feature request... but given where tab groups are at now, it's realistically not likely we'd be able to do any work on this.

[Tectract]

when you use vertical tabs

I don't use vertical tabs, and I have literally never seen anyone use vertical tabs. This still doesn't address that tabbing itself has a critical bug. Firefox fixed this problem very gracefully many years ago, with no need for janky solutions like tab groups or vertical tabbing.

[ValeTheVioletMote]

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Agreed, this should be re-opened. Tab groups are not a solve. They don't address the underlying issues at all. Firefox's base UX is simply superior to Brave when it comes to tabs. Vivaldi opens the door for powerusers to make the browser theirs, which is why I'm still using it over Brave. If Brave is only built for casual users who'll have at most five tabs open, fine, then you don't need any poweruser options, and I understand why you're marking this as "won't fix." But if you want to attract users who use the net for hobby or work, enabling the user able to easily manage 25, 50, 100, 200, 300 tabs is a must. Shrinking tabs is not ok. Needing to go out of the way to shove tabs into groups is not ok.