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Revise Instrument resourceTypeGeneral and related changes to address RFC comments #24
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Raising @Jashton123 comments directly on the commit here for ease of tracking: 28cf6c1#commitcomment-91400178 Jan:
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What other types of instrument activity are we considering? Would any of the existing relationTypes work? |
This is an interesting idea and could work! How would we differentiate this from HasPart in the definition? This might also solve the problem of distinguishing file (component) DOIs from dataset DOIs, mentioned here from Dataverse: IQSS/dataverse#5086 However, I think we might need more consultation on this solution than we will have time for in 4.5. |
Maybe microscopes? |
It seems that no single relation type fits all possible relations between research objects and instruments. Do we want to stretch meanings or add more relations? We could add both "measures" and "uses" pairs to allow users to pick what they like... |
@tedhabermann I'm not sure the "Uses" pair is well defined outside of the instrument context (and even then, there was a lot of ambiguity)... so I am concerned it is going to introduce more confusion. Any thoughts on "ObtainedBy/Obtains" as suggested by Mohamed over email? |
I have never heard someone say my data were obtained by an instrument. In my experience people obtain things - not instruments. The conclusion seems to be Measured and Used both apply in different ways and cases. Seems unlikely that we can decide between them. Is there a problem adding both? |
@tedhabermann I think the problem with "Used" is that it is a vague term, but there was a somewhat specific meaning intended for instrument usage in the original PIDINST proposal. If we define it self-referentially as "A is used by B", this does not help clarify how the relationType is intended to be applied. I also don't know of other resource types for which would recommend the selection of "IsUsedBy"/"Uses". Here are Rolf's comments from the RFC about this relationType:
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Kelly - My point is that it is very difficult, maybe impossible, to eliminate all ambiguity from these relationTypes. We can go around in circles for a long time, actually we already have, on this. Many smart people in the DataCite community will have an opportunity to weigh in on this - let them decide! |
@tedhabermann Definitely we can't eliminate all ambiguity, but I also don't think that's a good reason to include a very vague term if we don't have a good sense of how to apply it. How do you see "Used" being applied here? Could you give me some examples to help understand (including some that are not for Instruments)? |
We have precedent for resource dependent relation types (I think). What comes to mind is relationTypes that were added for software citations (see Appendix 4 and IsRequiredBy). So, is generality across resourceTypes a requirement? |
I don't know that generality is a requirement, but I would say it's desirable. To me, "Uses" is broad enough that it seems like it could be misapplied to other scenarios. For example, one might say colloquially that a paper "uses" a dataset that it analyzes, but we would much rather encourage the relationType "Cites" or "References" here. I think we got here because:
Rolf had said we need a relation type to "link a dataset with the instrument having collected the data". What about IsCollectedBy/Collects? Is that an improvement? |
@KellyStathis if we want to keep the relationship between an instrument/agent and its data neutral, we can use
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@KellyStathis I think IsCollectedBy/Collects fits well to indicate the relationship between instrument and its data. In the guidance we can make clear that this concerns data that has been measured, obtained, produced or observed by an instrument. |
I agree and think this is a useful relationship rather than uses/isUseby and measures/isMeasuredBy.JanSent from my iPhoneOn 5 Jan 2023, at 07:54, Madeleine de Smaele ***@***.***> wrote:
@KellyStathis I think IsCollectedBy/Collects fits well to indicate the relationship between instrument and its data. In the guidance we can make clear that this concerns data that has been measured, obtained, produced or observed by an instrument.
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How does the collected pair interact with the resource type “Collection"?
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@tedhabermann I'm not sure about the interaction with "Collection". I know we have encountered challenges with defining the scope of the Collection resourceTypeGeneral. I suppose the act of "collecting" doesn't always produce a "collection" (does that add to the confusion)? That said, this didn't immediately strike me as problematic. I think "IsObservedBy/"Observes" is also a reasonable option. I would consider observation as inclusive of measuring/obtaining data. However, I wouldn't intuitively say that an instrument "observes" data though (I would probably say "detects", but I don't think that is an improvement over our other options). For this reason, I would lean towards the "collects" pair if that also seems intuitive to others. |
I am merging the changes with IsCollectedBy/Collects so that we can review the complete draft together. Email to follow! |
Purpose
Address the feedback on Instruments from the RFC.
Changes from this branch can be previewed here: https://datacite-metadata-schema.readthedocs.io/en/4.5_instrument_revision/
Approach
Open Questions and Pre-Merge TODOs
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