Combo and Multi-Shot Layer

[gkstlr202]

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1. Can I implement the combo key feature in Kanata, similar to what is supported in QMK? I know how to implement tap dance and tap-hold and apply them together, but to create a combo function by tapping two keys or muliti keys, how should I structure the layers?

2. Can I implement the multi-shot layer functionality in Kanata? I have set up mouse direction keys (e.g., j, i, k, l) to create a mouse layer. While using the mouse layer, if there is no input from the mouse or keyboard within a few seconds, I want it to automatically switch back to the original layer. Can you provide this feature on how to achieve this?

3. Is it possible to create a feature where applications automatically switch to corresponding layers when the application transitions, similar to the concepts of Razer and Corsair gaming software profiles

[DarkKronicle]

For 3 take a look at #40

For 2 you may be able to use multi to add one-shot with each key on that layer to "refresh" the layer each time you press a key.

---

For 1 there's a few ways to tackle it. If you don't care about the first key showing up and then back spacing you can do something like:

(defsrc a b)
(deflayer base 
    a (fork b (macro bksp c) (a)
)

If pressing b this will input c if a is currently pressed. This has the downside of a being typed and then backspaced.

You can also use tap-hold

(defsrc a b)
(deflayer acombo
   _  c
)
(deflayer base
  (tap-hold-press 200 200 a (layer-while-held acombo)) b
)

This will do the same thing as the first example but you don't have to worry about having to backspace it. The downside with this implementation is that if any other keys are pressed with a, a would not be typed.

Here's how I have implemented the feature in my config. I use sequences.

(defcfg 
  sequence-timeout 150
  sequence-input-mode hidden-delay-type
)
(defsrc a b)
(deflayer base
  (macro sldr 10 a) b
)
(deffakekeys
  c-action c
)
(defseq c-action (a b))

This implementation has the benefit of always typing the characters you put in if the sequence failed (i.e. a + d would still type ad while a + b would type just c [no backspaces]). This one doesn't matter if a is held down the entire sequence, for that PR #492 needs to be merged.

If you let me know a bit more of your use case I can help you find the solution that works best for you.

[gkstlr202]

thanks for answering me .here is my sample

(deflayer key1

grv  1    2    3    4    5    6    7    8    9    0    -    =    bspc
  tab  @cdq +tdq   @cdw +tdw   @cde +tde   r    t    y    u    @tdi  o   p     [    ]    \
  caps @tda @ths   @tdd   @thf    g   @tdh    @tdj    @tdk    @tdl    ;    '    ret
  lsft @tdz   @tdx   @tdc   @thv  @tdb    @nums  @mouse    ,    .    /    rsft

(defchords binary 500
  (q      ) q
  (   w   ) w
  (     e ) e
  (q  w  ) a
  (   w e ) b
  ( q   e ) c
  (q  w  e ) d
)

)
(defalias
 tdq (tap-hold 80 100 q mlft )
 tdw (tap-hold 80 100 w mrgt )
 tde (tap-hold 80 100 e mmid)
cdq (chord binary q) 
 cdw (chord binary w) 
 cde (chord binary e) 
q (tap-hold 1 140 @chordq S-1) 
w (tap-hold 140  140 @chordw S-2)
e (tap-hold 140  140 @chorde S-3)

I created this as an example while following the instructions. What I want is to maintain tap dance for each 'q' and 'w' and 'e' separately and use the 'qwe' combo. Moreover, I would like to create hold-tap of tap dance moves for the combos 'qw,' 'we,' 'qe,' and 'qwe. . and To assign layer switching on comobo, how do I do it?? like this (q w ) (layer-switch mouselayer) or (q w ) @mouselayer ??

[tdd]

Thanks for inadvertently tagging a couple dozen GitHub handles there 😉

Next time please wrap your quoted code with triple backticks so GitHub doesn't interpret it as Markdown with auto-tagging.

[gkstlr202]

sorry i am not good at english and GitHub T_T .I came here by searching because I wanted to ask a question

[gkstlr202]

For 2 you may be able to use multi to add one-shot with each key on that layer to "refresh" the layer each time you press a key.

Could you provide a more detailed explanation of this??

[DarkKronicle]

For 2 you may be able to use multi to add one-shot with each key on that layer to "refresh" the layer each time you press a key.

Could you provide a more detailed explanation of this??

(defsrc a b c d)
(defalias
   layer-shot (one-shot 500 (layer-while-held second_layer)
)
(deflayer base 
    a b c @layer-shot
)
(deflayer second_layer
    (multi @layer-shot e)
    (multi @layer-shot f)
    (multi @layer-shot g)
    (multi @layer-shot h)
)

Each time you press something on second_layer it will reactivate the one-shot. If that doesn't work replace layer-shot alias with (macro 10 (one-shot 500 (layer-while-held second_layer)))

[DarkKronicle]

For your qwe with tap-dance I think this would work

(defsrc q w e)
(deflayer base
  (chord qwe q)
  (chord qwe w)
  (chord qwe e)
)

(deffakekeys
  fakeq (tap-dance 300 (q S-1)
  fakew (tap-dance 300 (w S-2)
  fakee (tap-dance 300 (e S-3)
)

(defchords qwe 200
  (q    ) (on-fakekey-press fakeq tap)
  (w    ) (on-fakekey-press fakew tap)
  (e    ) (on-fakekey-press fakee tap)
  (q w e) (one-shot 500 (layer-while-held second_layer)) ;; or whatever you want here
)

And for pasting your configs, do it in the format:
```
config here
```

[gkstlr202]

For 3 take a look at #40

i wonder if you can apply the layer I gave you and give me an example? For example, switch layers in Excel.

(deflayer key1 for Excel

grv  1    2    3    4    5    6    7    8    9    0    -    =    bspc
  tab  @cdq    @cdw    @cde    r    t    y    u    @tdi  o   p     [    ]    \
  caps @tda @ths   @tdd   @thf    g   @tdh    @tdj    @tdk    @tdl    ;    '    ret
  lsft @tdz   @tdx   @tdc   @thv  @tdb    @nums  @mouse    ,    .    /    rsft

'''
)

[DarkKronicle]

You pinged people again, you need to wrap it in ```

[gkstlr202]

''' insert the code?

(deflayer key1 for Excel

grv 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 - = bspc
tab @CDQ @cdw @cde r t y u @tdi o p [ ]
caps @TDA @ths @tdd @thf g @tDH @tdj @tdk @tdl ; ' ret
lsft @tdz @tdx @tdc @THV @tdb @nums @Mouse , . / rsft

)  

is it right?

[gkstlr202]

(macro 10 (one-shot 500 (layer-while-held second_layer)))

(defsrc a b c d)

(deflayer base 
    a b c @layer-shot
)
(deflayer second_layer
    (multi @layer-shot e)
    (multi @layer-shot f)
    (multi @layer-shot g)
    (multi @layer-shot h)
)





(defalias
 layer-shot  (one-shot 3000 (layer-while-held second_layer))


)

it is only just worikng hold poistion

and second solution is not working. there is a error

(defsrc a b c d)

(deflayer base 
    a b c @layer-shot
)
(deflayer second_layer
    (multi @layer-shot e)
    (multi @layer-shot f)
    (multi @layer-shot g)
    (multi @layer-shot h)
)





(defalias
 layer-shot (macro 10 (one-shot 500 (layer-while-held second_layer)))


)

[DarkKronicle]

Oh I think it needs to be one-shot-press

[gkstlr202]

Oh I think it needs to be one-shot-press

(defalias
 layer-shot (macro 10 (one-shot-press 500 (layer-while-held second_layer)))


)

still not working T.T
here is a error
action macro only accepts delays,keys, chords, and chorded sub- macro

and could you give me a example about layer swiching automatically

[jtroo]

@gkstlr202

Regarding layer switching, kanata has no builtin solution for automatic layer switching today, so there are no examples for a kanata configuration that would do it. Others have created their own solutions (varies by operating system) which use external programs that interact with kanata. These are described in the issue that Dark linked to you. E.g. in Windows, the komokana project would be the one to look at.

For your request on multi-shot, I'm unsure about what exactly you're looking for, but I believe something like this might be it:

(defsrc caps w a s d)
(deflayer default (layer-while-held mouse) w a s d)
(deflayer mouse _ @mmu @mml @mmd @mmr)

(defvar
  mmove-itvl 7
  mmove-accel-t 2000
  mmove-amnt-start 1
  mmove-amnt-end 200
)

(deffakekeys
  persistmouse (one-shot 1000 (layer-while-held mouse))
)

(defalias
  mmu (multi
    (layer-while-held mouse)
    (on-release-fakekey persistmouse tap)
    (movemouse-accel-up $mmove-itvl $mmove-accel-t $mmove-amnt-start $mmove-amnt-end)
  )
  mmd (multi
    (layer-while-held mouse)
    (on-release-fakekey persistmouse tap)
    (movemouse-accel-down $mmove-itvl $mmove-accel-t $mmove-amnt-start $mmove-amnt-end)
  )
  mmr (multi
    (layer-while-held mouse)
    (on-release-fakekey persistmouse tap)
    (movemouse-accel-right $mmove-itvl $mmove-accel-t $mmove-amnt-start $mmove-amnt-end)
  )
  mml (multi
    (layer-while-held mouse)
    (on-release-fakekey persistmouse tap)
    (movemouse-accel-left $mmove-itvl $mmove-accel-t $mmove-amnt-start $mmove-amnt-end)
  )
)

[gkstlr202]

@jtroo

yeah , that i want !! it is working well. thank you for answering me.
Can I ask about komokana? There are many difficulties in trying to execute it.
I tried following the instructions for komokana, but it doesn't seem to work. Can I get some help? Also, do I need both 'komorebic' and 'kanata' to run 'komokana

When I directly click on "komokana.exe" and "komorebic.exe," they immediately shut down. So, I tried using PowerShell and specified the path with the code, setting Kanata's port to 8080, but it still doesn't work. I asked a question about discode, but haven't received any response. Do you know how to solve this?

https://discord.com/channels/898554690126630914/1001698151134150656

$Env:Path.split(";")
cd "C:\Program Files (x86)\komokana-0.1.1-x86_64-pc-windows-msvc"
.\komokana.exe -p 8080 -d key1 -c "C:\Program Files (x86)\komokana-0.1.1-x86_64-pc-windows-msvc\komokana.yaml"


and this is komokana.yaml
exe: "ONENOTE.exe"
target_layer: "onenote"
exe: "WINWORD.exe"
target_layer: "onenote"

[jtroo]

For posterity on this thread, it looks like the maintainer has responded in discord, which you have seen 👍. I personally don't use automatic layer switching so I don't have any advice to give.