coscheduling queue sort plugin starves pods

[mateuszlitwin]

Currently coscheduling plugin is using InitialAttemptTimestamp to compare pods of the same priority. If there are enough pods with early InitialAttemptTimestamp which cannot be scheduled then pods with later InitialAttemptTimestamp will get starved - scheduler will never attempt to schedule them. This is because scheduler will re-queue "early" pods before "later" pods are attempted. Normal scheduler is using time when pod was inserted into the queue, so this situation cannot occur.

[Huang-Wei]

This sounds a reasonable optimization. @denkensk @cwdsuzhou thoughts?

[denkensk]

@mateuszlitwin @Huang-Wei
We may talk about it In the beginning. kubernetes/enhancements#1463 (comment)
If we use the LastFailureTimestamp as the Normal scheduler. It will lead to undefined behavior in the heap.

[Huang-Wei]

Ah true, I fail to notice that point.

This is because scheduler will re-queue "early" pods before "later" pods are attempted.

@mateuszlitwin The failed PodGroup with an earlier timestamp will go through an internal backoff period, so that latter PodGroup is actually able to get scheduled, isn't it? If not, are you able to compose a simple test case to simulate this starvation?

[cwdsuzhou]

@mateuszlitwin @Huang-Wei
We may talk about it In the beginning. kubernetes/enhancements#1463 (comment)
If we use the LastFailureTimestamp as the Normal scheduler. It will lead to undefined behavior in the heap.

+1 for this

[mateuszlitwin]

Might be hard to design a simple test.

Issue occurred multiple times in the production environment where we had 100s of pods pending and 1000s of nodes to check. I observed that newer, recently created, pods were not attempted by the scheduler (based on lack of scheduling events and relevant logs), however older pods were attempted on a regular basis (but could not be scheduled because their scheduling constraints), at least once every sync. The issue went away when I disabled the coscheduling queue sort.

Maybe a test like this would reproduce the issue:

• create say 500 pods that are unschedulable
• then create a single pod that could be scheduled (it's timestamp in the queue will be greater than other 500 pods)
• generate some fake events in the cluster to move pods from backoff/unschedulable queues back to the active queue

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I am not familiar with all the details how queuing works in the scheduler, but AFAIK certain events can put all pending pods back to the active queue, which could lead to the starvation I described where old unschedulable pods always go to the front of the active queue and starve pods which were in the queue for long time. Isn't the periodic flush/sync such event for example?

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Coscheduling plugin queue sort is not compatible with the default sort. That is problematic especially because all scheduler profiles need to use the same sorting plugin, that is all profiles (e.g. default profile) are in fact forced to use co-scheduling sorting if co-scheduling is enabled.

Maybe with more customization for the queue plugin we could improve it?

[Huang-Wei]

however older pods were attempted on a regular basis (but could not be scheduled because their scheduling constraints), at least once every sync.

ok, it sounds like a head of line blocking problem. Have you tried to increase the backoff and flush settings to mitigate the symptom? (I know it's just a mitigation :))

Coscheduling plugin queue sort is not compatible with the default sort. That is problematic especially because all scheduler profiles need to use the same sorting plugin, that is all profiles (e.g. default profile) are in fact forced to use co-scheduling sorting if co-scheduling is enabled.

Totally understood the pain point here.

The queue sort design of co-scheduling is that we want a group of Pods to be treated as a unit to achieve higher efficiency, which is essential in a highly-utilized cluster. While in vanilla default scheduler, it just schedules pod by pod, so every time Pod gets re-queued, it doesn't need to consider its "sibling" pods, so it's possible to renew its enqueue time as a new item, while co-scheduling cannot, which is the embarrassing part.

Maybe with more customization for the queue plugin we could improve it?

We have some discussions in the upstream as well as this repo. I'm not quite sure I have the bandwidth to drive this in the near future. It'd be very appreciable if anyone is interested to drive the design & implementation.

[cwdsuzhou]

We have some discussions in the upstream as well as this repo. I'm not quite sure I have the bandwidth to drive this in the near future. It'd be very appreciable if anyone is interested to drive the design & implementation.

Actually, we have a similar feature request about exposing more funcs in frameWorkHandler to ensure the pods belongs sorting in ActiveQueue together.

[mateuszlitwin]

@Huang-Wei do you have some links to the previous discussions?

[Huang-Wei]

@mateuszlitwin The upstream is attempting (very likely I will drive this in 1.21) to provide some efficient queueing mechanics so that developers can control the pod enqueuing behavior in a fine-grained manner.

Here are some references:

• https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Dw1qPi4eryllSv0F419sKVbGXiPvSv6N_mJd6AVSg74/edit#
• scheduler: only watch CSINode events when CSI related plugins enabled kubernetes/kubernetes#92206 (comment)
• Avoid moving pods out of unschedulable status unconditionally

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[Huang-Wei]

/kind bug
/priority critical-urgent

I think it's still outstanding. I came across this when testing the v0.19.8 image. Here are the reproducing steps:

• Prepare a PodGroup with minMember=3
• Create a deployment with replicas=2
• Wait for the two pods of the deployment to be pending
• Scale up the deployment to be 3
• It's not uncommon the 3 pods get into a starving state, and cannot be scheduled overtime.

[denkensk]

Thanks @Huang-Wei
I will test and reproduce the problem.

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TL;DR for the latest status of this issue: it's a fairness issue due to missing the machinery to sort PodGroups - similar to PodInfo, we need to refresh a PodGroupInfo's queuing time so previously-failed PodGroup's sorting order can be adjusted.

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#559 can mitigate this, but in theory HOL can still happen. Move it to the next release.

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