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| # Node Foundation CTC Meeting 2016-02-10 | ||
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| ## Links | ||
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| * **Audio Recording**: https://soundcloud.com/node-foundation/ctc-meeting-2016-02-10 | ||
| * **GitHub Issue**: https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/5176 | ||
| * **Minutes Google Doc**: <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sAHu9jVh8Dn9gHFASOH56j2klzW-L6YP-DfKo1gO_6Y> | ||
| * _Previous Minutes Google Doc: <https://docs.google.com/document/d/145ND-9pGdAwZ1eoOMypX1_wtx5FCVoanWtLl8zzyxH8>_ | ||
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| ## Present | ||
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| * James Snell (CTC) | ||
| * Trevor Norris (CTC) | ||
| * Colin Ihrig (CTC) | ||
| * Brian White (CTC) | ||
| * Alexis Campailla (CTC) | ||
| * Bert Belder (CTC) | ||
| * Chris Dickinson (CTC) | ||
| * Shigeki Ohtsu (CTC) | ||
| * Steven Loomis (observer) | ||
| * Mikeal Rogers (observer) | ||
| * Fedor Indutny (CTC) | ||
| * Jeremiah Senkpiel (CTC) | ||
| * Rod Vagg (CTC) | ||
| * Ben Noordhuis (CTC) | ||
| * Nikita Skovoroda (observer) | ||
| * Ali Sheikh (observer) | ||
| * Evan Lucas (observer) | ||
| * Rich Trott (observer) | ||
| * Michael Dawson (observer) | ||
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| ## Agenda | ||
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| Extracted from **ctc-agenda** labelled issues and pull requests from the **nodejs org** prior to the meeting. | ||
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| * Revert "fs: deprecate fs.read's string interface" [#5163](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/5163) & fs: add a temporary fix for re-evaluation support [#5102](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/5102) | ||
| * buffer: add Buffer.from(), Buffer.alloc() and Buffer.allocUnsafe(), soft-deprecate Buffer(num) [#4682](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/4682) & Buffer(number) is unsafe [#4660](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/4660) | ||
| * CTC Membership Nominations [#4750](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/4750) | ||
| * Seek legal advice on LICENSE and copyright blocks in code [#3979](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/3979) | ||
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| ## Standup | ||
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| * Brian White: Working more on improving performance in various areas of core, reviewing PRs and issues. | ||
| * Chris Dickinson: Promises PR + discussions with the error symposium group. | ||
| * Rich Trott: addressing flaky tests, enhancing linting, working to find a path to more automation in landing of PRs (although others, including Alexis, seem to have picked that ball up, thankfully) | ||
| * James Snell: Working on express stuff in, security stuff out, buffer API finished, moving forward on string externalization. | ||
| * Jeremiah Senkpiel: Hook for unhandled rejections that detects when the GC fires on a promise. That is currently blocked on V8 bug with weak callbacks + promises. | ||
| * Chris Dickinson: Promises PR + discussions with the error symposium group. | ||
| * Trevor Norris — MakeCallback reentrant fix for HTTP parser / AsyncWrap interaction. | ||
| * Michael Dawson - Working on getting AIX up in the CI. Also on running v8 tests in the Node tree. Added AIX to libuv tests. | ||
| * Steven R. Loomis - not much to add | ||
| * Nikita Skovoroda — like ususal, mostly comments and the initial version of the codesearch API on a VPS. Nothing major. | ||
| * Rod Vagg - Security stuff, catching up on issues and discussions. Legal committee meeting yesterday. | ||
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| ## Review of last meeting | ||
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| * Enable Node.js to run with Microsoft's ChakraCore engine [#4765](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/4765) | ||
| * CTC Membership Nominations [#4750](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/4750) | ||
| * buffer: add Buffer.from(), Buffer.alloc() and Buffer.allocUnsafe(), soft-deprecate Buffer(num) [#4682](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/4682) & Buffer(number) is unsafe [#4660](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/4660) | ||
| * Seek legal advice on LICENSE and copyright blocks in code [#3979](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/3979) | ||
| * @srl295: [path for full-icu data?](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/3460) - ./node_modules vs ./node/ ? (npm linkage) - todo, update ticket with meeting resolution | ||
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| ## Minutes | ||
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| ### Revert "fs: deprecate fs.read's string interface" [#5163](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/5163) & fs: add a temporary fix for re-evaluation support [#5102](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/5102) | ||
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| Rod: Simple deprecation warning for the particular argument usage. Pulling in the internal util module for deprecation messes up older versions of graceful-fs (and thus older versions of npm.) The question is whether to revert the PR, or to add a helper (that Nikita proposed.) I would suggest that this is urgent enough that we need to do something about it. | ||
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| Jeremiah: This is a poor reason to revert it. | ||
| James: From everything that I’ve seen, adding the warning is the least bad option. Folks seems to be against reverting. Maybe making the warning less specific to graceful-fs. | ||
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| Ben: I don’t agree. I think it’s right to point them to the newer version. | ||
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| Jeremiah: I agree (with Ben). | ||
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| Rod: Anytime you break the build, it’s an immediate candidate for reversion. It’s not permanently reverted, but it’s “let’s fix the build.” | ||
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| Jeremiah: This doesn’t actually break CI though. It breaks newer versions of npm on master. .. It might be npm in general just on the master branch. | ||
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| James: Forrest noted that pretty much any change other than reverting will have a significant effect on the npm user base. | ||
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| Jeremiah: Yeah but we’re not shipping this in a stable. | ||
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| Michael: If it breaks in master, doesn’t that prevent folks from doing other tests? | ||
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| Ben: I think the problem lies with npm here. | ||
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| Mikeal: You make that sound so easy. | ||
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| Ben: The version of npm we’re talking about is still in a PR, yes? | ||
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| Jeremiah: We don’t regularly run tests on master, so it might already be broken. I can test it right now.. | ||
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| Rod: I think Myles has been trying to run the npm tests more regularly, as part of smoke testing — and it’s broken for the smoke testing now. | ||
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| Michael: It seems like we’d want to keep things as green as possible. It seems like we’d want npm to do something. | ||
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| Rod: It’s a fact of life that we exist in an ecosystem that has these kinds of issues. My vote is to revert, and then revisit after we’ve gotten the build fixed. | ||
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| Ben: Well, yeah, I do. I think Nikita’s PR is an acceptable intermediate solution. | ||
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| Jeremiah: Likewise. The resolution is that we try to require it, if that fails, we use a deprecation helper we build in that emits a warning that something is breaking an internal module — that would fix it and seems quite reasonable. It will also help people note where stuff is going to break. | ||
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| Rod: Does someone want to help Nikita get this in? | ||
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| Ben: Didn’t you already get a couple of LGTMs? | ||
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| James: I think there’s one -1 and three LGTMs. | ||
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| Rod: We can force it if we have to. | ||
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| James: I propose: if we accept this now, let’s try to get it resolved better before v6 goes out — which gives us a deadline so it’s not pushed off indefinitely. npm gets a fix, and that’s where it happens. | ||
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| Ben: I think it’s a good idea to push npm to update their dependencies. Whether or not npm updates, I think it’s a good idea to include Nikita’s PR. | ||
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| Jeremiah: I think so too. | ||
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| Rod: Let’s take it back to GitHub. | ||
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| ### buffer: add Buffer.from(), Buffer.alloc() and Buffer.allocUnsafe(), soft-deprecate Buffer(num) [#4682](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/4682) & Buffer(number) is unsafe [#4660](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/4660) | ||
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| James: There were some changes I was waiting for from Trevor w/r/t fill encoding. There was a desire to bikeshed a bit more on the name, not sure if you want to do that here. I think absent that the PR is probably in a place where we can land it. | ||
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| Rod: Sounds like we need a last call for objections, otherwise it’s going in. | ||
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| James: Yep. | ||
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| Rod: How about you do that on GitHub? | ||
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| James: OK. | ||
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| Jeremiah: Are you adding a zero-fill flag? | ||
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| James: Yes — it will switch all allocations to use calloc under the hood. The one thing this does not do is change the default behavior of `new Buffer(size)`. If we did that, it would be a breaking change going back to 0.10. | ||
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| Bert: Is the plan to deprecate it off the table? | ||
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| James: It’s a soft deprecate — docs only. | ||
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| Jeremiah: We should try to just deprecate it. The problem is that folks are running different versions against modules, and it would be bad to rely on zero-fill behavior where it doesn’t exist [CD — didn’t capture this entirely] | ||
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| James: We need to refine our deprecation strategy — and define whether something is deprecated vs. end-of-life. Will probably be returning to that next week or the week after. | ||
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| Rod: It sounds like we’ve got a way forward, here. | ||
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| Bert: It’s ugly but I won’t object. | ||
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| Rod: Noted. | ||
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| ### CTC Membership Nominations [#4750](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/4750) | ||
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| Rod: We should start to line up a vote. | ||
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| ### Seek legal advice on LICENSE and copyright blocks in code [#3979](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/3979) | ||
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| Rod: There was a PR that Mikeal put in that updates the DCO from v1.0 to v1.1. If you’d like to review that, please comment on that. | ||
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| ### Other business | ||
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| James noted that the express application landed today. I will be working to move that into the new organization. More of an update on tomorrow’s TSC call. | ||
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| Jeremiah notes that he will be a bit preoccupied by that for a while. | ||
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| ## Next Meeting | ||
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| 2016-02-17 |