Combined node.js/io.js TC/Core Call

[mikeal]

We have a weekly call and node.js has a weekly call.

In the latest call regarding the Node.js Foundation's development policy (designed to work for a potentially merged io.js and node.js) it was suggested that we combine these calls temporarily.

We haven't merged the projects or the processes, I'm only proposing that we merge the weekly call. Essentially, we would have two agendas (one for io.js and one for node.js) that we merge and the node.js core people would be invited observers to the io.js TC call and the io.js TC members would be invited observers in the node.js core call.

If any issues came to a vote or decisions are made they would still be made for each project by that project's governing body, observers (as always) would not have a formal vote.

Combining the calls gets people dipping their toe in the water in terms of participation. It also addresses one of the communities biggest concerns: that the projects will diverge and become incompatible. The fact that we're communicating in the same channel would guard against diverging that might happen only because the projects silo'd.

[mscdex]

Out of curiosity, would this still work with Google hangouts or is there a similar service that would be used so that outsiders can listen live like we can for io.js TC meetings?

[mikeal]

I think that if I pay to upgrade the io.js G+ account that we can get 15 people on a hangout, so it should still work. We're getting awful close though, if we have to we can do GoToMeeting and record the audio but it's a manual process to post it afterwards, with no live listen feature.

[Fishrock123]

I thought we had a 15 account on io.js now? But, GoToMeeting seems like the other option.

[mikeal]

Here's the Dev Policy call https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWZLCBbsTUo

[rvagg]

I appear to have been voted off this island, proposed call times are US-centric (I can't blame Americans for not being aware of a world across the oceans of course) and land between midnight and 5am for me

[piscisaureus]

@jasnell

[jasnell]

@rvagg... not intentionally, I assure you. I just added a few more slots to the poll. Hopefully it helps but not knowing exactly where you are located I'm just guessing.

[mikeal]

@rvagg @jasnell we should use the noon-1pm slot. We already went through this and figured out it was the only way to get both Fedor and Rod who are on the farthest ends of the timezone scale.

When Fedor moves to the US we should re-evaluate though so that maybe Rod can stop waking up so early :)

[Fishrock123]

noon-1pm slot

That is, PST. 3-4pm EST, 19:00-20:00 UTC.

When Fedor moves to the US

:o this is a thing?

[Fishrock123]

Hopefully it helps but not knowing exactly where you are located I'm just guessing.

Also, Rod is in Australia. Syndey time, I believe.

[jasnell]

fwiw.. I think the doodle poll is a bust. It's going to be difficult to find a time that works for everyone. For the time being, I'm considering proposing a bi-weekly call that alternates between 6am pacific one week, 6pm pacific the next, with the goal of the time pick being equally unfair for everyone (time zones suck... we need @srl295 to fix those for us).

[mikeal]

What's the problem with using the slot we currently use for the io.js TC? What timezone isn't fulfilled?

[jasnell]

Would the io.js folks be willing to "give up" that slot for the combined
call? I don't want to assume prematurely.
On Apr 15, 2015 3:04 PM, "Mikeal Rogers" notifications@github.com wrote:

What's the problem with using the slot we currently use for the io.js TC?
What timezone isn't fulfilled?

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[mikeal]

Ya, we would prefer to just do one call per week anyway.

[srl295]

Careful, my fixes to time zones start with throwing out daylight savings/summer/franklin-bad-joke time ... Careful what you ask for !

@mikeal

noon-1pm slot
on which day?

[mikeal]

yup, Wednesday and it has been 1pm-2pm pacific since PDT kicked in (it was noon-1 before that).

[cjihrig]

I brought this up at the Node core team meeting. Nobody was opposed to a joint meeting at 1pm Pacific on Wed. in order to accommodate all time zones. @misterdjules had some additional ideas for the long term, but I think this could get the ball rolling.

[misterdjules]

Thanks @cjihrig. Basically some of the members of the Node.js core team were concerned that having the two entire calls merged would be very time consuming, and that only a small number of topics discussed in both meetings would be of interest to the other group.

We talked about keeping the two calls separate, and to have another shorter call with specific agenda items that relate to both projects. I believe this would achieve the goals stated in the original description, which are:

1. To "get people dipping their toe in the water in terms of participation".
2. [To] "address one of the communities biggest concerns: that the projects will diverge and become incompatible".

while keeping the overhead as low as possible.

[jasnell]

I think having the joint call and maintaining separate calls for the near
term would be the most beneficial. Note that in the dev policy draft I
recommend that each release line have it's own short term WG. Allowing for
separate calls allows us to maintain momentum on getting the foundation
bootstrapped without interrupting other work. That's why I had originally
proposed setting up an alternate time.
On Apr 16, 2015 1:12 PM, "Julien Gilli" notifications@github.com wrote:

Thanks @cjihrig https://github.com/cjihrig. Basically some of the
members of the Node.js core team were concerned that having the two entire
calls merged would be very time consuming, and that only a small number of
topics discussed in both meetings would be of interest to the other group.

We talked about keeping the two calls separate, and to have another
shorter call with specific agenda items that relate to both projects. I
believe this would achieve the goals stated in the original description,
which are:

1. To "get people dipping their toe in the water in terms of
   participation".
2. [To] "address one of the communities biggest concerns: that the
   projects will diverge and become incompatible".

while keeping the overhead as low as possible.

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[mikeal]

perhaps we should just abandon this merged call and just do a call for the Convergence WG. i doubt we'll get enough of either call to make it worthwhile if the meeting doesn't have our regular agendas in it.

[Qard]

Maybe part of each core team meeting could be allocated to decide topics to bring up in the combined meeting?

[Fishrock123]

@mikeal does this still need tc attention? We've already been doing this now, i think it can be closed?

[mikeal]

Yup, let's close.