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Re-phrasing the key point of this RFC at a slightly higher level, the argument seems to be: inferring the exact effect of
may_dangle
through field ownership is subtle and easy to get wrong, we should instead explicitly annotate what we want.I generally agree with this direction. However, this is a departure from what seems to me as a pretty fundamental design decision in Rust: to infer all sorts of properties of a type based on "which other types it owns". We do this for dropck, but also for auto traits and variance. This decisions leads to issues such as rust-lang/rust#99408 where changing the type of a field accidentally also changes this inferred property (that issue was
T
toManuallyDrop<T>
affecting dropck; I think we also had&mut T
to*mut T
affecting auto traits -- lucky enough erring on the safe side -- and it's easy to imagine similar situations with variance).I am not sure how I feel about attacking this fundamental problem in a piecemeal fashion. At the very least, this RFC should state somewhere that the question of inferring may_dangle dropck from field ownership is closely related to inferring auto traits and variance. And long-term, IMO it would be very odd to have this explicit annotation for may_dangle without also having something similar for auto traits and variance. Admittedly that's a lot harder, (a) since those are stable and (b) since we only want this more explicit style when unsafe code is involved -- which for may_dangle is 100% of the cases, but not so for auto traits and variance.
Put differently: if PhantomData is not fit for the purpose of may_dangle, why is it ever fit for any purpose? Given the arguments in this RFC, it seems wrong to keep that type around (well it will stay for backwards compatibility obviously). IMO we should only accept the RFC if we generally agree that PhantomData should be deprecated and replaced by more explicit annotations.
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we feel like there's no room for error with unsafe. inference isn't inherently wrong, but it should fail-safe if you forget something. that appears to hold for
Send
andSync
but not so much formay_dangle
.an alternative would be to validate the
Drop
impl based on the inferred bounds/outlives requirements. but that seems more awkward to use. and it doesn't solve "spooky-dropck-at-a-distance" (which is not unstable).There was a problem hiding this comment.
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I don't think so. If you have a
*mut T
field and later decide to make it&mut
, you might be accidentally addingSend
/Sync
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that's not an example, that's an argument.
we can't think of an example where changing
*mut T
to&mut T
causes it to become unsound due toSend
/Sync
, but plenty of examples where it becomes unsound due to aliasing. we would love to see such an example tho.on the other hand variance is a footgun, from experience. at the same time, variance is fairly unintuitive, extremely verbose, and it shows up everywhere, so there's a huge added value from having it inferred by default. this is in contrast to
#[may_dangle]
which (on stable) only shows up on std collections and pointer wrappers.further,
#[may_dangle]
opts-in to inference (impl Drop
is the opt-out), whereas there's no way to opt-out of variance.but the main issue is still the mismatch between
needs_drop
andoutlives
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There is such an example: rust-lang/rust#41622
Going to think more about that and will try to come back with an answer later.
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It wasn't a regression, but it was a case of accidental
Sync
inference:MutexGuard
used&mut
which propagatesSync
; if it had used*mut
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Hmm, so maybe we should have more opt-outs, but having an opt-out mixed with a partial opt-in seems like a massive footgun, especially if it's not actually checked for correctness.
But also if custom auto traits are ever to be a thing, how do they fit into all this?
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Alright, here are my thoughts after thinking about this during lunch:
PhantomData<T>
is not appropriate for dropck is because it always implementsCopy
.I think it could be appropriate if it were to only implement
Copy
ifT
isCopy
. In this case for anyT
with drop glue we could require noop drop glue forPhantomData
with the outlives requirements ofT
. However, such aCopy
impl would be limiting other uses ofPhantomData
as it's quite useful to freely copy it around.Because it implements
Copy
we're currently stuck with a type which has liveness requirements when involved in a drop, even though it doesn't get dropped itself. I personally label this behavior to clearly be a bug, hence the effort to change it via this RFC (and rust-lang/rust#110288 for[T; 0]
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So you're basically saying, PhantomData for dropck is 'even weirder' than for the other purposes. I can't disagree with that, for the specific
Copy
case you mention. However that's not the argument the RFC is making, so the RFC should be amended. It also still seems worth mentioning the relationship with auto traits and variance, even if the issue is more pressing for dropck.[T; 0]
isn't copy so I don't follow that argument. I'd rather special-case array length 0 in fewer cases than more. But anyway that's not part of this RFC.There was a problem hiding this comment.
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updated the motivation and mentioned auto traits + variance in the future possibilities section.
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Stylistic note: Large blocks of code are hard for me to deal with. Can you add comments or break this into paragraphs to walk me through why each piece matters?
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e.g., Consider first a type
PrintOnDrop
which holds a&str
reference and has aDrop
impl. This impl will access data from the reference when it is dropped. In general the compiler assumes that every drop impl will access all the data from the structs fields.There was a problem hiding this comment.
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explain what this is for
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This is helpful and avoids the main problem I saw in the previous RFC -- it'd be great to expand a bit on where the two modes should be used in the stdlib to help reader understand the role of them. Also, what is an example of code that compiles because of this but wouldn't otherwise?
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for arrays this is currently also a bit inconsistent, see rust-lang/rust#110288 and https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com/#narrow/stream/326866-t-types.2Fnominated/topic/.23110288.3A.20.60.5BT.3B.200.5D.60.20adding.20outlives.20requirements.20to.20dropck for details about this.
Shouldn't matter for this RFC apart from deciding whether to add "
[T; 0]
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I don't buy this as an argument against documenting the status quo, given that this is all unstable.
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The issue is that it is not, or well
#[may_dangle]
is unstable but "spooky-dropck-at-a-distance" affects stable code:We have the stable behavior that
(PhantomData<PrintOnDrop<'s>>, String)
requires's
to be live. Similar for ADTs: playgroundWhile it should be fine™ to change this stable behavior even after documenting it as nobody should rely on it, it does make me uncomfortable.
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Ah I see.
Honestly that seems like cheating to me -- the behavior hasn't been documented, but it has existed on stable for years, and it's not a bug -- this is how things were designed to behave, IIUC. Using our lack of documentation as a loophole feels a bit backhanded.
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do you mean "we should keep the current behavior because it's a breaking change not to"? Or more "whether the current behavior is documented shouldn't change our decision on whether we should change it"?
wrt to this I pretty clearly feel like this change is a clarification of underspecified language semantics . I don't think we ever intended to have "does not need
Drop
but when part of something that does, add outlives requirements" as the behavior forPhantomData
.I personally disagree with this perspective if that's what you intended to say. By documenting something publicly we declare that the current behavior is intended as is and something users may rely on.
I do believe that the current state here is a bug. Dropping fields separately should be equivalent to dropping them as a pair. Once this lands I intend to add a check that
dropck_outlives_requirements.is_empty()
impliesneeds_drop
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The latter. I am totally fine with changing the behavior. But I don't like "we failed to document it" as justification.
Anyway this is probably more of a discussion for rust-lang/rust#103413?