Fix Perspectives lazy loading

[CestDiego]

Now that I understand better lazy loading and elisp I figured I'd give
the perspectives layer another go. I try to replicate the microstate
from Eyebrowse, but still working on the custom-perspectives.

I would appreciate some feedback until this is merged

[robbyoconnor]

👀 👍 👓 👀

[bmag]

Shouldn't it be :defer t? In any case, using :commands implies :defer t

[CestDiego]

indeed the :defer is irrelevant

[CestDiego]

I'm currently working in having a way to easily add custom perspectives and even having a microstate for them so please don't merge this one yet

[sooheon]

Great, I'm already enjoying the old perspectives layer, but the loading could be wonky. Curious what are the benefits of microstate over a hydra?

[CestDiego]

for the benefits I think @syl20bnr could elaborate more on that. I'm not really that familiar with hydra either

[robbyoconnor]

I like microstates personally

[syl20bnr]

microstates and hydra are the same thing, hydra is more powerful but:

1. I don't like the hydra API which is not obvious
2. we need a custom solution that better fit spacemacs need (evil-leader, vim, holy-mode etc...)

I may in the future use hydras as backend for some part of the microstates but we will always have our own macro.

[CestDiego]

I would love for spacemacs microstates to achieve something like this: http://emacs.stackexchange.com/a/14293

[syl20bnr]

Hydra does not use magit-popup AFAIK.
For the API part check what the API can give: https://github.com/abo-abo/hydra/wiki/Rectangle-Operations
I find it very unintuitive and does not fit with what I want for such important part in Spacemacs.

[syl20bnr]

I would love for spacemacs microstates to achieve something like this: http://emacs.stackexchange.com/a/14293

That's cool, we should be able to do this in microstates.
BTW the cote above the screenshot is very missleading, the twitter hydra is more complicated than that.

[syl20bnr]

The twitter hydra is here: https://github.com/abo-abo/hydra/wiki/Twittering
It illustrates one point I don't like about hydras: it makes you write unreadable docstring in the code... this is ridiculous.
There is now a column keyword though so the point above is less a pain point, as I said I may use hydra as backend for microstate, the point is to use the powerful hydra feature but hide the awkward API.

[CestDiego]

what could we do then? it may be unreadable but the ^ symbols have to be there for formatting I guess? ... what solution could we implement instead? I think micro-states have the potential to be one of the killer features of spacemacs, :3 but I don't undestand how they work yet :(

[syl20bnr]

They work exactly like a hydra, this is the same thing underneath (look for transient maps in Emacs doc).
You wrote several micro-states but you don't know how they work ? :-)

[robbyoconnor]

To be fair, I barely understand emacs lisp :P

On Tuesday, September 1, 2015, Sylvain Benner notifications@github.com
wrote:

They work exactly like a hydra, this is the same thing underneath (look
for transient maps in Emacs doc).
You wrote several micro-states but you don't know how they work ? :-)

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[CestDiego]

I'm familiar with the api and way to create ones but I mean the internals...I just look and the macro and hide on the corner scared of the backquotes and @ signs... :( I just read the docstring. I'm working on a hacky way of using micro-states for custom-perspectives, by having the create-custom-persp macro I found save items of the form ("keybinding" . function) into an alist that I will then walk to define the custom-perspectives macro...of course it would be awesome just to put an alist in the micro-states macro and it to recognize it and parse it like:

:bindings
alist-here
"h" foo-bar-function

allis-here being:

'(("l" is-for-the-way-you-look-at-me)
  ("o" is-for-all-the-only-one-I-see))
``
etc etc

[syl20bnr]

What do you want to achieve with the perspective micro-state ? Is it something like eyebrowse ?

[CestDiego]

@syl20bnr yes, it is working already D:

[CestDiego]

see above ^

[syl20bnr]

ok so what do you want to do that does not work ?

[CestDiego]

Custom perspectives can be defined by the user, this are perspectives that are not from projectile but let's say a perspective that open Rcirc with 4 channels opened. I want all custom perspectives, created with the spacemacs/create-custom-persp macro to be added into a variable, then create a microstate with the custom-perspectives

[syl20bnr]

I see, I wonder why you need to differentiate perspecitves and custom perspectives, I don't know perpsective :-)

[syl20bnr]

Why not having both in the same micro-state ?

[CestDiego]

oh...the perspectives micro-state is for changing between opened perspectives... while custom perspectives create user-defined ones.

[syl20bnr]

oh ok, you may consider renaming the micro-state to incorporate a verb then, maybe manage ?

[syl20bnr]

branch

[syl20bnr]

so

[syl20bnr]

everyone

[syl20bnr]

can

[syl20bnr]

now

[syl20bnr]

test

[syl20bnr]

it

[syl20bnr]

I

[syl20bnr]

swapped

[syl20bnr]

the bindings

[syl20bnr]

for

[syl20bnr]

avy-jump-line

[syl20bnr]

and

[syl20bnr]

perspective micro-state

[syl20bnr]

because

[syl20bnr]

scopes

[syl20bnr]

have

[person808]

MOO

• Interrupting cow

[syl20bnr]

lower case

[syl20bnr]

keys

[syl20bnr]

thanks @person808 , I was going to hit 300 :-D

Thank you @CestDiego, tremendous work on this one, I hope we will be able to make it the official layout solution for Spacemacs 👍 💜

[syl20bnr]

BTW I hope I did not forget any commit, the history was indeed pretty funky :-)

[joehillen]

😂

[dvcrn]

my inbox exploded

[syl20bnr]

Oops, I did not think about email spamming... my bad, sorry for this... time to go to bed I guess!

[robbyoconnor]

@syl20bnr this is okay -- Spamming is okay :)

[CestDiego]

Thank you all for the work on this branch! :) @cmccloud @TheBB @syl20bnr @person808 and everyone that helped in the process.