@here messages and threads are NOTICEs and not PRIVMSGs

[axinojolais]

Hi,

It would appear that whenever someone uses @here, the message and every message in the same thread are sent as NOTICEs and not PRIVMSGs. Any reason for that ? Can we make them PRIVMSGs ? I see no reason to send them as NOTICEs but I may be missing something.

Thanks !

[hloeung]

IMO, it should remain as NOTICEs. It's sort of like any other Mattermost client where @here, @channel, and @ALL are like broadcasts causing highlighting for those users online at the time.

[42wim]

I agree with @hloeung

[axinojolais]

Do other mattermost clients highlight everyone for all messages in a thread where @here was used ?
Also, my IRC client (irssi), neither @here nor NOTICEs highlight by default, which seems reasonable.

If you look at RFC1459, NOTICEs are used to avoid automatic replies, not to highlight people. And I don't think whole threads should highlight everyone or appear differently in my client because someone used @here.

[hloeung]

Do other mattermost clients highlight everyone for all messages in a thread where @here was used ?
Also, my IRC client (irssi), neither @here nor NOTICEs highlight by default, which seems reasonable.

Yeah, from https://docs.mattermost.com/help/settings/channel-settings.html#ignore-mentions-for-channel-here-and-all

By default, you will recieve mention notifications for any uses of @channel, @all or @here in a channel...

How about an option to disable this behavior? #418

[axinojolais]

Do other mattermost clients highlight everyone for all messages in a thread where @here was used ?
Also, my IRC client (irssi), neither @here nor NOTICEs highlight by default, which seems reasonable.

Yeah, from https://docs.mattermost.com/help/settings/channel-settings.html#ignore-mentions-for-channel-here-and-all

By default, you will recieve mention notifications for any uses of @channel, @all or @here in a channel...

This only talks about messages with @here, not all messages in a thread where a single message has @here.

How about an option to disable this behavior? #418

That would make indeed resolve this bug for me :)

[hloeung]

This only talks about messages with @here, not all messages in a thread where a single message has @here.

Oh! Understand now. So it's actually because the parent message has the channel wide mentions @{here,channel,all) and that gets included in the bit that checks if it should be a NOTICE or not. hloeung@a75d1b6 specifically fixes this so it's only whichever message that has @{here,channel,all}.

e.g.

|21:37 -hloeung:#haw-test- @here Testing again [@@4f7tqoranpgd9bb98itfxt87qw]
|21:37 <hloeung> This time replying, which shouldn't be an IRC NOTICE message but rather PRIVMSG (re @hloeung: @here Testing again) [↪@@4f7tqoranpgd9bb98itfxt87qw]