Cruiser 5.0.0 (Beta) #610
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Question: Reason: Testing is ok but I need a reliable working version for navigation when out there. Cheers Oh, I recently saw your last comment: |
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Sorry...just complaining... |
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If you like Cruiser 4 better, it is still available in Releases. (you will need to import the backup of my collection again) About your questions:
It replaces the existing version. If you are traveling, you can test the Beta later.
Probably the first time, then the loaded map areas appear instantly.
Hilshadding is about "shaded" areas, so the colors will be different from original theme.
You downloaded the hillshading data? Can post a screenshot? Hillshading appears at zoom level 9. |
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I've just downloaded Cruiser. All themes, favourites and routes are here. The performance when showing hillshade is so good in my opinion. It appears after I've downloaded it. I will do some more tests in next days. |
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This is very important so that the transition to v2 storage is done without problems.
Previously rendered map areas will be rendered instantly in the future. |
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Is the Avoid Cities in Brouter offline option no longer available? |
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The various advanced options to avoid cities, prefer forests, etc. were currently removed We probably need more improvements in the driving profile and see which option is really needed again. Also avoid cities currently avoids only >50K cities, |
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I would welcome it if the Avoid Cities option were reintroduced. Otherwise, I now have to create a no-go area for every city I want to avoid for Germany and Europe. |
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@umpfmpf I need to check the BRouter driving profile rules again. 🙂 |
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I found the avoid cities option also not too bad, some strange behaviour only sometimes in cities leaving the main road and coming back to it after 300 to 500 meters, but this is visible while driving and can easily be ignored. Also the prefer green areas, I would like to have back. I drive with both options all the time and have no big issues with it. |
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Is the "Biker" theme no longer available in Cruiser 5? Importing the (old) zip as external map design doesn't work... I don't really like the available themes (currently) shipped with Cruiser that much and would be happy if the "Biker" theme would make its way into the app again. |
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same opinion here, find the motorider design ok, but Biker with Esri light was better to me and I would appreciate this too as an alternative. |
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If @MotoUKRider has some free time and would like to implement a Biker theme |
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@DolomitesTom During off-list discussions, it was decided that 2 themes (light+dark) were enough, so Biker didn't get included - But I replicated it and kept working on it. I have just made a quick fix to the Secondary/Tertiary "yellow" issue - so Tertiary roads are now a light purple to make the difference obvious. Also included is "Biker-2" which uses my MotoRider road colours but keeps the "all black" road captions - this is what I presently use in navigation, it's easier to read that the fancy colour badges in my main theme - which is best for planning/desktop use. Place this ZIP in Both of these also benefit from zoom-vs-detail enhancements such as thin "hairlines" at early zoom, then more detail as you get closer in. If any of the colours are not to your liking, open the XML in Notepad++ use an HTML Color Picker to find better ones. There are some useful comments within the XML to help you find relevant sections. |
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👍 @MotoUKRider please re-base the the Biker theme on the latest Motorider theme (always available here). Above Biker theme does not have several improvements and changes we made in Motorider theme all this time. |
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I forgot to mention that you can now rename / delete all app profiles You can still create app profiles with all available types (currently 7). |
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Strange error report @devemux86:
This is reproducible for a short test route (attached) when it is created from the map, but does NOT happen when the same route is loaded from My Collection. It does also not happen on some other tested routes. |
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@bios4 thanks for the report. I try creating short routes of some meters on the map, but cannot reproduce it. 🙂 When you see it, have you tried scrolling or zooming the map? Is the route line still there? |
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I believe I found out what's going on...
Is there a possibility to improve that behaviour? Or even better: can BRouter be instructed to NOT create congruent/identical alternatives at all when there are none? |
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@bios4 thanks for the detailed test! 👍
BRouter can be asked to calculate the Original, 1st, 2nd, 3rd alternative. See how it works on BRouter website. I do not know if we can compare the BRouter alternatives somehow and drop the "same" ones. |
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Next Cruiser update will try to filter BRouter responses in case of alternative routes is enabled. When an alternative route is the same (e.g. compare length) as one of the already added routes, |
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Is it possible to implement the use of files with the extension .hgt.zip? |
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@SonnyLidarDTM is doing an impressive and excellent work. 👍 You can download hgt data from anywhere and unzip them in Cruiser's "hgt" folder. Now the hgt files are downloaded automatically with all offline maps. |
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I have a folder containing @SonnyLidarDTM's files but due to compatibility issues with a GIS I had to change the extension to .hgt.zip. |
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@SonnyLidarDTM downloaded files are zip, you have to unzip them to be used by Cruiser. So you will have a folder with possible sub-folders containing *.hgt files. |
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Do you mean on desktop? |
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Yes, I use the desktop version. |
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should cruiser 5 map performance be better? I don't know if this is true. I had to enlarge the map font size to 150% because otherwise I couldn't read and city names (too small) and in zoom mode 10 for example it takes very long until the names of the cities are displayed. |
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@DolomitesTom this is a new map theme, so such adjustments may be needed depending on each user. About the map labels, I will check it. |
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I just tried 5.0.0,. My first observations:
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Strange: I can see them:
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Yes, Same on my side. Works with Tracks but not with ROUTES. |
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To be clear, the changes are saved correctly in the files (you can check them). It is just that Cruiser after restart does not show them properly. |
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@GuG1050 thanks for the report. This will work properly in the next update. |
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Works 👍 |
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don't understand what you want to say with this. With cruiser 5 the map structure loads at least 10 seconds until all display sections change from grey rectangle into the map and again many seconds until the labels are displayed. In Cruiser 4 the zooming is done without any interruption, at least factor 10 quicker than in cruiser 5. Sorry to say, but it's true (have loaded cruiser 5 on my Samsung Galaxy S8+, this was a performant device), Cruiser 4 still on Samsung A52 G5. |
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I mean that there is a new Motorider map theme by @MotoUKRider with probably different font sizes. About the map engine, as explained above, switching map theme, hillshading, map appearance settings (like font size) After the first time, the next rendering of the same area is instant without delays. Or the scrolling of Germany or Netherlands at small zoom levels when vegetation appears. Also, as explained above, there is no going back to the many issues of OpenGL and the wasted time of the past. |
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Wann kommt die offizielle Version in den Playstore von Cruiser 5? Ist dann auch noch mehr möglich mit dem WunderLINQ Steuerung? When will the official version of Cruiser 5 be available in the Playstore? Will it be possible to do more with the WunderLINQ controller? |
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Die Funktionen aus dem Ticket #212 The functions from ticket #212 |
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Do you mean using WunderLINQ to control the Cruiser interface and buttons? Meinen Sie, WunderLINQ zur Steuerung der Cruiser-Schnittstelle und -Tasten zu verwenden? |
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Ja, genau. Du hattest damals ja gesagt, dass hier in der Zukunft noch was kommen wird. Wollte einfach mal nachgefragt haben. Yes, exactly. You said at the time that there would be something here in the future. I just wanted to ask. |
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@ToToGSARider : Du kannst es ja schon im Vorfeld herunterladen und installieren, ist aber eine Testversion und kann nicht immer wie gewünscht arbeiten. Das ist wie bei allen neuen Versionen so. Erst werden sie getestet, bevor der Endkunde sie als finale Version bekommt. OK, mache Firmen wälzen das auch auf den Kunden ab, die dann Testkaninchen spielen dürfen. In sofern musst Du halt noch warten oder eben die Testversion ausprobieren. Aber wie bereits schon anderweitig beschrieben: Die Testversion kann man nicht parallel betreiben, sie überschreibt Deine aktuelle Version in sofern: No risk no fun. Einfach die *.APK herunterladen und mit einem Filemanager auf Deinem Android installieren. |
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Ach, alles gut, ich bin da geduldig und warte einfach ab was kommt. Wie schon gesagt, ich bin ja schon Happy, dass ich die Funktionalität wie bei K1 und K2 habe, so bin ich zu Cruiser gekommen. Oh, it's all good, I'll be patient and just wait and see what happens. As I said, I'm already happy that I have the same functionality as K1 and K2, that's how I came to Cruiser. |
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I also noticed: |
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The zoom now has indeed integer steps, like online maps e.g. in OpenStreetMap. |
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Please! re-implement fractional zoom steps. Integer steps make handling of the maps much! more unvconvenient, jumps are way too big. |
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I have to agree with these ^^ reports - map rendering performance is NOT increased compared to Cruiser 4(.1.0-b2)... Also not when the map was already loaded earlier or after a restart. Galaxy A52 running Android 13 (One UI 5.1) - I don't even want to know how it would perform on my (weaker) device on the motorcycle. I think I will stay with Cruiser 4.1.0-b2 for "productive use" for the time being (also because of the eye-friendlier old "Biker" theme). |
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I don't want the video to be public!
Not at all! I scroll to areas back and forth, always back to my current location! So these are no "new areas" at all, at least shouldn't be after I scrolled there once!?? Plus, it is the very same after each app restart (which you titled "impossible" up to now). |
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@bios4 what do you expect, the whole map to be kept in the memory? That is offline, use limited phone resources and be blazingly fast? The map is stored in file system, memory holds the visible view. |
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When you tell me that this is the expected behaviour and that's how it should look like with Cruiser 5 I am fine (not satisfied, but fine)... I was just referring to all the comments of you that the map is "immediately loaded" as soon as it was processed once. Which is not the case. Plus: it was not like that with the old map engine in Cruiser 4, so from my POV this is NOT an advantage of the new version. |
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Engine v4 renders the map constantly and too many times per second, like the FPS in games. Engine v5 uses memory and file caching the more we use the map and renders only 1 time. A report from the old forums was to scroll Germany or Netherlands maps in small zoom levels, At that time, users complained why with vegetation and quality on, the scrolling was not smooth. |
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Could it be memory limit? Some devices have only 2-3GB of free memory when system loads. They have plenty of storage, enbough CPU+GPU, but memory could be limited. Especially having more apps. So just wondering, if this couldnt be the case? Dunno, how much memory Cruiser v5 would need, when active scrolling/moving map area "live"... It seems that for bios, storage or memory are not enough/persistent so his experience is worse than with v4... |
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can someone please send a link for this? with 4.0.2 I still have this problem in the mind that has deleted all my routes under certain curcumstances. |
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The new storage v2 is available from Cruiser 5. All previous versions have the same storage v1. |
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@DolomitesTom: I uploaded the 4.1.0-b2 APK for you here: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/e5d3hp32zjfhzh6h3zf4m/AK0UeHKEBmdJ_PrFgjDbA5k?rlkey=uaed2ukogudf7kfyfa73d10p3&st=c4j7tiux&dl=0 |
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@bios4 your Cruiser video is also still there. 🙂 |
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Thanks for the hint @devemux86! 👍 |
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How stable is Cruiser 5 already running? Can I import my .kurviger files without problems and drive in 3D mode? Wie stabil läuft Cruiser 5 denn schon. Kann ich meine .kurviger Dateien ohne Probleme importieren und im 3D Modus fahren? |
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Is the picture I posted above from Cruiser 5? Ist das Bild, was ichboben reingestellt habe, aus Cruiser 5? |
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It is not my screenshot. Probably an older Cruiser. Es ist nicht mein Bildschirmfoto. Wahrscheinlich ein älterer Cruiser. |
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Is there a picture of the current Cruiser 5 or is the picture above at the start of the thread already from Cruiser 5? That would be perfect. Gibt es ein Bild vom aktuellen Cruiser 5 oder ist oben das Bild am Start vom Thread schon aus Cruiser 5? Das wäre schon perfekt.
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This is a screenshot from Cruiser 5. You can see all of them in the announcement here. Dies ist ein Bildschirmfoto von Cruiser 5. Ihr könnt sie alle in der Ankündigung hier sehen. |
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If that was the default setting when starting, it would be cool. I think the color combination is really cool. Wenn das die Standard Einstellung beim starten wäre, wäre schon cool. Ich finde die Farbkombination echt cool. |
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Wo finde ich denn im Cruiser 5 die Einstellung Karte/Aussehen/hoher Kontrast? Where can I find the map/appearance/high contrast setting in Cruiser 5?
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It no longer exists, as it can cause problems in many areas. Sie existiert nicht mehr, da sie in vielen Bereichen Probleme verursachen kann. |
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@devemux86 das Profil hattest du doch damals extra für Cruiser gemacht. Ich liebe dieses Profil und fahre seit ich Cruiser habe nur mit diesem Profil in 3D. @devemux86 you made the profile especially for cruisers back then. I love this profile and have only been riding with this profile in 3D since I got my cruiser.
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Please, release the new v5 soon. Then everybody can use and test it, and then we can discuss about new (and maybe old v4) features that should be placed on your implemetation list... 🏁 |
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Meine größten Wünsche sind jetzt schon 3D Ansicht und die Einstellung hoher Kontrast. Ich konnte auf einem Test Handy Cruiser 5 installieren. Ja, sieht ganz gut aus, aber so würde ich beim Fahren aktuell nicht mehr klar kommen mit der Ansicht. Das Thema ist ja schon bekannt und von daher werde ich mal abwarten was kommt. Ich habe mir als Backup die Cruiser V4 apk mal gespeichert. My biggest wishes are already 3D view and the high contrast setting. I was able to install Cruiser 5 on a test cell phone. Yes, it looks quite good, but I wouldn't be able to cope with the view when driving at the moment. The issue is already known, so I'll wait and see what happens. I have saved the Cruiser V4 apk as a backup. |
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Cruiser 5.0.0-b23 is available:
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I can't see any difference... Everything looks good 👍 v5 is on "go" 🏁 Ready to launch 🚀 |
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Habt ihr auch eine Abfrage eingebaut, ob man auf V5 umstellen möchte? Stand heute wäre eine Umstellung für mich ein absoluter Rückschritt. Ich komme beim Fahren mit der Ansicht absolut nicht zurecht. Have you also included a query as to whether you want to switch to V5? As things stand today, a changeover would be an absolute step backwards for me. I absolutely can't cope with the view when driving. |
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b23 working fine here - I find a Hillshading "magnitude" setting of 125 fairly good for the hilly bits of the UK. As for layout/appearance, it ain't arf bad 😸 |
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As I don't install beta versions on my dedicated “motorcycle navi smartphone”, I've just done my first “on the road” test with my everyday smartphone and Cruiser 5 (beta 23). Basically the version works well, apart from a few things I noticed:
Finally, something OT of my "in-the-field" testing: I think it's a bit of a shame that posts that are critical of Cruiser 5 are being deleted. I think an open discussion should also allow for the potentially negative aspects (although I understand when repeated complaints are deleted)... |
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@bios4 Thanks for the constructive and polite feedback which is always welcome. 👍 The plan is to release Cruiser 5 next week, after another beta. |
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Try the opposite and turn it off. Animations cause the map position to be several meters behind the real user location. |
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Will try it tomorrow if the weather keeps its promise... |
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Regarding 3D view, I think that sometimes we could think that a map view similar that our view is better, but 2D view is much better to see some road features like rondabouts or some "difficult" diversions. I've been using it for many years (more than 3D mode). Even north up is better to keep the orientation when running unknown roads. As says @bios4 , when I look Cruiser when driving, I just look the screen less than one second, so the map never moves. Cruiser is much more than 3D. There are a lot of features created by user ideas or requests. This is not usual in most apps... |
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Cruiser 5.0.0-b24 is available:
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Cruiser 5.0.0-b25 is available:
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Is this beta already containing an expanded touch area for the routes? |
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@bios4 It is available from the b24. |
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Could this possibly be enlarged even a bit further @devemux86? I tested it right now and when tapping the shown area (at zoom 18!) already the map menu opens up (5.0.0-b25)... 
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It is double now. I don't want to increase it too much, as this may affect all near layers. |
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Cruiser 5.0.0-b26 is available:
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Cruiser 5.0.0-b27 is available:
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Cruiser 5.0.0-b28 is available:
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Final beta before release..? |
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Probably unless we have a report. 🙂 |
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Wasn't there a "Stop simulation" action available since one of the last Cruiser 4 versions when long-pressing the navigation button (during route simulation)? Is this gone on purpose? |
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Navigation has 3 states: on, pause, off. Simulation only has the states: on and off. |
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I know how it works. 😉 I rather wanted to know if I remember correctly and this is now gone (on ourpose?), or if I am mixing things up... |
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For a while we had a long press menu, but as it did not offer anything extra, it was removed. |
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A small suggestion. Since the map download screen is one of the first new users will see, maybe add a word of explanation next to "BRouter"? Possibly, in the second line, two words of explanation for each of these three elements? Although apart from BRouter, even for beginners, everything is probably clear. 
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Or maybe rather "Routing data (BRouter)" 🙂 |
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@Ciutnik Thanks for the idea, we could do something like this. 👍 |
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Why is there nothing under “available” in the DropBox? I actually wanted to keep track of the versions here with my test cell phone to see when 3D is included. I've always downloaded the latest APKs from there and transferred them to the test phone via cable, as I don't want to set up an account there. Warum ist in der DropBox unter "available" nichts mehr enthalten? Ich wollte hier eigentlich jetzt mit meinem Testhandy immer die Versionen mitverfolgen, um zu sehen, wann 3D enthallten ist. Ich habe mir dort die letzten APK's immer gezogen und per Kabel auf das Testhandy gemacht, da ich dort keinen Account einrichten möchte. |
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Cruiser 5 was released today, it will soon be available on Google Play in your region. Cruiser 5 wurde heute veröffentlicht, es wird bald auf Google Play in deiner Region verfügbar sein. |
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However, I have not set up a Google account on the test cell phone and I don't want to install Cruiser 5 on my navigation cell phone either, as 3D has not yet been implemented. Until 3D is available, my wife and I can't switch to Cruiser 5 because neither of us can cope with it. Ich habe aber auf dem Testhandy keinen Google Account eingerichtet und ich möchte auch auf meinem Navigationshandy nicht den Cruiser 5 installieren, da ja 3D noch nicht umgesetzt ist. Bevor 3D nicht vorhanden ist, können meine Frau und ich nicht auf Cruiser 5 umstellen, da wir beide damit nicht klar kommen. |
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Cruiser 5 is also available in Releases. Cruiser 5 ist auch verfügbar in Releases. |
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What about Reverse Auto Zoom and the routing option favouring green regions and forests? Are these two functions now also irretrievably lost? Or is there a chance that they will be reintroduced? |
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Prefer forests is not working properly. If someone can fix it, we could see it again. |
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Cruiser 5.0.0 (Beta) is available:
Use no-go areas in route planning #538
(see the link for instructions)
Store no-go areas in favorites #545
(points in "Favorites" and polygons in "Tracks / Areas")
Nearby POI selection in navigation #368
(in navigation settings)
Avoid cities with BRouter (offline) #613
BRouter external profile options #621
Import GeoJSON points, lines, polygons in favorites #506
Offline maps with hillshading #558
(see the link for instructions)
Motorider map theme 5 #612 by @MotoUKRider
Compass shows true north #628
(Settings | Map | Compass sensor)
Map engine 5 #559
Many improvements
Before testing the new Beta, please BACKUP your favorites, routes, tracks and profiles!
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